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From: "Marin David Condic" <mcondic.auntie.spam@acm.org>
Subject: Re: status of Ada STL?
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 08:38:29 -0400
Date: 2002-09-20T12:39:11+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <amf4tf$183$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: uoka2alhr78538@corp.supernews.com

Yes, I understand that. I just think that so long as the reigning notion is
that it has to be part of the ARM in order to be part of Ada, it will always
take ten years to get something new and useful into the language.

OTOH, if there was some body of vendors, academics, SIGAda people, major
users and gadflies that were willing to declare "This reference
implementation of linked lists is what will come with all compilers as of
next week..." then we'd have a linked list library. Would it be 100%
portable? Would it be 100% flawless? Would it be 100% well specified in its
behavior? No, no and no. But it would *exist* and I think thats a big deal.

If it was done by "Reference Implementation" and made available on easy
terms for distribution by the vendors, it doesn't particularly even
hamstring anyone long term by tying them to some "bad idea". You issue a new
reference implementation to fix bad ideas and anyone with legacy code just
keeps using the legacy library. So long as its all in source and under easy
terms (public domain?) nobody gets hurt. What you get as an improvement over
the existing situation (roll-your-own or download your favorite flavor) is
some consistency across compilers and the ability to say "This is the
standard way you make a dynamic array in Ada...." or "This is how you
multiply two matrices in one line of Ada code..." when it comes up on
newsgroups. :-)

MDC
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Randy Brukardt <randy@rrsoftware.com> wrote in message
news:uoka2alhr78538@corp.supernews.com...
>
> There is an open AI for container libraries for Ada 200Y. The problem
> is, everyone is willing to write an interesting library, but there is
> much less enthusism for the hard work it takes to make something
> suitable for standardization. (Compare the documentation for the typical
> library with the RM for Ada.Strings.Fixed, and you'll see what I mean).
> Then, compound that with getting everyone to agree on the requirements
> and the solution...
>






  reply	other threads:[~2002-09-20 12:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 188+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-06-14  7:21 status of Ada STL? Russ
2002-06-14 16:29 ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-14 18:44 ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-14 20:34 ` Ehud Lamm
2002-06-15 18:52   ` Russ
2002-06-16  2:42     ` David Marceau
2002-06-16  8:07     ` Pascal Obry
2002-06-16 18:23       ` Russ
2002-06-16 19:01         ` Pascal Obry
2002-06-16 19:04         ` Vinzent Hoefler
2002-06-17  1:59           ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-06-17  6:48             ` Russ
2002-06-17  7:04               ` Dale Stanbrough
2002-06-18  6:16                 ` Russ
2002-06-19  1:07                   ` Dale Stanbrough
2002-06-17  9:38               ` chris.danx
2002-06-17 15:53               ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-18  7:52                 ` Russ
2002-06-18 10:57                   ` chris.danx
2002-06-18 14:38                   ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-18 16:19                     ` Brian Rogoff
2002-06-18 17:12                       ` Frank J. Lhota
2002-06-18 18:03                         ` Brian Rogoff
2002-06-18 19:24                           ` Frank J. Lhota
2002-06-18 19:41                             ` Brian Rogoff
2002-06-25  0:02                         ` Steven Deller
2002-06-25  1:24                           ` Yet another assignment variation (was Re: status of Ada STL?) Dale Stanbrough
2002-06-25 12:53                             ` Frank J. Lhota
2002-06-25 17:48                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-06-26  3:13                             ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-18 19:03                     ` status of Ada STL? Robert A Duff
2002-06-18 19:54                       ` Brian Rogoff
2002-06-18 21:09                         ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-18 23:36                           ` Brian Rogoff
2002-06-19  1:37                             ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-19 16:25                               ` Brian Rogoff
2002-06-19 18:53                                 ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-19 20:23                                   ` Brian Rogoff
2002-06-19  3:57                           ` Russ
2002-06-18 21:55                   ` Dmitry A.Kazakov
2002-06-19  5:32                     ` Russ
2002-06-19 12:37                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-06-20  6:50                         ` Russ
2002-06-20 12:21                           ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-20 21:42                           ` Dmitry A.Kazakov
2002-06-20 18:20                             ` Russ
2002-06-21 10:27                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-06-20 18:21                             ` Russ
2002-06-20 19:09                             ` Russ
2002-06-17 17:16               ` Pascal Obry
2002-06-18  5:27                 ` Russ
2002-06-17 17:17               ` Pascal Obry
2002-06-17 21:40             ` Vinzent Hoefler
2002-06-17  5:20           ` Russ
2002-06-17  8:22             ` chris.danx
2002-06-17 14:00               ` Frank J. Lhota
2002-06-17 15:57               ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-18  6:12               ` Russ
2002-06-18  8:16                 ` chris.danx
2002-06-18 14:52                   ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-18 16:02                     ` Pascal Obry
2002-06-18 16:54                       ` Hyman Rosen
2002-06-18 22:58                         ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2002-06-18 19:09                     ` Robert A Duff
     [not found]                     ` <ud6uolglz.fsf@w <wccsn3kxv3g.fsf@shell01.TheWorld.com>
2002-06-19  8:09                       ` Pascal Obry
2002-06-19  3:04                   ` Russ
2002-06-19 16:40                     ` Hyman Rosen
2002-06-19 18:07                       ` Brian Rogoff
2002-06-18  9:37                 ` Fraser Wilson
2002-06-18 15:45                   ` Hyman Rosen
2002-06-19 16:55                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2002-06-19 19:13                     ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-20  7:43                       ` Dmitry A.Kazakov
2002-06-22 22:05                       ` Robert I. Eachus
2002-06-17 21:40             ` Vinzent Hoefler
2002-06-18 15:05               ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-18 22:36                 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2002-06-19 12:45                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-06-19 14:35                     ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-21 11:03                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-06-21 16:58                         ` Mark Biggar
2002-06-22 23:23                           ` Dmitry A.Kazakov
2002-06-27  3:00                       ` David Thompson
2002-06-28 13:36                         ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-30  4:05                           ` Russ
2002-06-30 13:50                             ` Ted Dennison
2002-07-01 13:12                             ` Marin David Condic
2002-07-02 19:56                           ` Robert A Duff
     [not found]                           ` <bebbba07.0206292005.45ad915a@p <wcc4rfhj43l.fsf@shell01.TheWorld.com>
2002-07-02 20:40                             ` Pat Rogers
2002-06-18 15:21             ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-19  0:34               ` tmoran
2002-06-19  2:55               ` Russ
2002-06-19  4:53                 ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-19  8:21                 ` Pascal Obry
2002-06-19 14:52                 ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-20  1:45                 ` SteveD
2002-06-20  2:01                   ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-16 20:01         ` Pascal Obry
2002-06-17  5:29           ` Russ
2002-06-16 23:02         ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-17  5:07           ` Russ
2002-06-17 14:03             ` Frank J. Lhota
2002-06-17 14:11             ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-18  5:55               ` Russ
2002-06-18 14:30                 ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-18 15:14                   ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-19 14:19                     ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-19 16:05                       ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-19  5:58                   ` Russ
2002-06-19 14:35                     ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-20  7:06                       ` Russ
2002-06-20 12:27                         ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-20 23:22                           ` Russ
2002-06-21  2:00                             ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-22  4:28                               ` Russ
2002-06-22 15:05                                 ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-21  8:48                             ` Ian Wild
2002-06-22  4:54                             ` Russ
2002-06-20 22:47                   ` Russ
2002-06-21  0:43                     ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-22  4:05                       ` Russ
2002-06-22 14:41                         ` Jano
2002-06-22 20:27                         ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-21 13:12                     ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-24  8:29                       ` Russ
2002-06-24 20:19                         ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-06-18 22:36                 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2002-06-18 22:42                   ` Ed Falis
2002-06-19  0:07                     ` Vinzent Hoefler
2002-06-19  0:07                   ` Vinzent Hoefler
2002-06-17 22:37             ` Dmitry A.Kazakov
2002-06-17 14:09               ` Frank J. Lhota
2002-06-18 21:40                 ` Dmitry A.Kazakov
2002-06-18 16:04         ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-18 16:37           ` Pascal Obry
2002-06-18 18:56             ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-18 22:20               ` Pascal Obry
2002-06-19 12:53               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-06-19  3:37           ` Russ
2002-06-19  8:31             ` Pascal Obry
2002-06-20  7:58               ` Russ
2002-06-20 20:34                 ` Pascal Obry
2002-06-21  4:07                   ` Russ
2002-06-17 15:33     ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-18 10:28       ` Adrian Hoe
2002-06-19  7:58         ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2002-06-19 13:55           ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-19 13:52         ` Marin David Condic
2002-09-18 15:23           ` Matthew Heaney
2002-09-19 12:11             ` Marin David Condic
2002-09-19 14:13               ` Hyman Rosen
2002-09-20 12:24                 ` Marin David Condic
2002-09-22  7:22                   ` Kevin Cline
2002-09-23 13:55                     ` Hyman Rosen
2002-09-19 19:42               ` Randy Brukardt
2002-09-20 12:38                 ` Marin David Condic [this message]
2002-09-27 21:21                   ` Michael Bode
2002-09-27 22:11                     ` Pat Rogers
2002-09-28 13:25                       ` Marin David Condic
2002-09-28 14:52                         ` Pat Rogers
2002-09-28 15:18                           ` Martin Dowie
2002-09-29 18:02                           ` Marin David Condic
2002-09-29 19:02                             ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-09-30  1:36                               ` Marin David Condic
2002-10-02 22:17                     ` Matthew Heaney
2002-09-28 17:25                 ` Richard Riehle
2002-09-30 17:12                   ` Marin David Condic
2002-10-01 18:41                     ` Randy Brukardt
2002-10-02  8:38                       ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2002-10-02 12:43                         ` Marin David Condic
2002-10-02 14:26                           ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2002-10-02 12:30                       ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-18  1:56     ` SteveD
2002-06-18 14:12       ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-18 14:28         ` chris.danx
2002-06-18 15:59           ` Pascal Obry
2002-06-18 18:58           ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-18 19:58           ` Randy Brukardt
2002-06-19 14:07             ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-19  2:19         ` SteveD
2002-06-18 11:40     ` Colin Paul Gloster
2002-06-20 15:15       ` Colin Paul Gloster
2002-06-18 19:34     ` Mike Silva
2002-06-25 16:31     ` Kevin Cline
2002-06-14 20:34 ` Dan Andreatta
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-06-17 11:05 Grein, Christoph
2002-06-18  5:36 ` Russ
2002-06-26 10:50 Grein, Christoph
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