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From: Stefan.Lucks@uni-weimar.de
Subject: Re: library/binding for sftp?
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 09:27:30 +0200
Date: 2013-08-21T09:27:30+02:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1308210902070.1344@debian> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <kv0lc3$omr$1@loke.gir.dk>

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On Tue, 20 Aug 2013, Randy Brukardt wrote:

>> Randy, please check your logic. The sentence in question was
>>   "unfocused surveillance which works only with known protocols".
>> This is logically equivalent to
>>   "unfocused surveillance does not work if at least one protocol is
>>    unknown."
>
> I don't see this at all. There is nothing in the original sentence which
> implies exclusivity.

My reading of the original sentence is different from yours'. Especially 
when I take the original question about sftp into context. But we can 
agree to disagree on this point.

BTW, the Dewar rule makes sense for the Ada standards -- or other 
standards as well -- but applying it to usenet postings is a stretch. ;-)

> And I claim it is irrelevant. The use of the public internet is never very
> secure and you can be certain that at least basic behavior is monitored.

Whatever you mean by "basic behaviour": You *can* communicate securely 
over the internet, for some very reasonable notions of "secure". But 
firstly, there is no "absolute security", and secondly, you pay a price. 
Often, the price is inconvenience. In any case, your "we are all doomed" 
attitude is too pessimistic.

> I don't much care about the world outside of the US, at least as far as
> living goes. (It's impractical to move somewhere where I don't understand
> the language, and all English-speaking countries are as bad or worse than
> the US.)

What about Ireland?

Also, the Republic of Malta might be an option for you (yes, they actually 
speak English there), and, in a few years, Scotland could became 
independent as well.

But hey, it is not so bad in the US! You have a secret court that secretly 
decides that it is secretly OK to secretly spy at you. So everything is 
secretly legal, isn't it? (Well, this has become off topic for c.l.a, but 
I just couldn't resist.)

------  I  love  the  taste  of  Cryptanalysis  in  the morning!  ------
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  reply	other threads:[~2013-08-21  7:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-08-05 12:41 library/binding for sftp? Stephen Leake
2013-08-05 15:18 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-08-06  6:24   ` Stephen Leake
2013-08-06  6:54     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-08-07 10:06       ` Stephen Leake
2013-08-07 13:04         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-08-07 17:15           ` Simon Clubley
2013-08-07 19:57             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-08-07 20:09               ` Alan Jump
2013-08-07 20:26                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-08-07 20:32                   ` Alan Jump
2013-08-08  9:14                     ` Björn Persson
2013-08-08  9:49                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-08-08 11:37                         ` Björn Persson
2013-08-08 19:18                           ` Randy Brukardt
2013-08-08 20:03                             ` Alan Jump
2013-08-09  9:19                               ` Björn Persson
2013-08-09 20:21                               ` Randy Brukardt
2013-08-09  8:49                             ` Björn Persson
2013-08-09 20:12                               ` Randy Brukardt
2013-08-19 17:26                                 ` Stefan.Lucks
2013-08-19 18:15                                   ` AdaMagica
2013-08-19 22:45                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2013-08-19 23:15                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2013-08-20  6:43                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2013-09-13  9:58                                       ` Oliver Kleinke
2013-09-13 21:12                                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2013-08-20  8:14                                     ` Stefan.Lucks
2013-08-20 20:59                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2013-08-21  7:27                                         ` Stefan.Lucks [this message]
2013-08-21 16:46                                           ` Alan Jump
2013-08-22  5:53                                             ` Per Sandberg
2013-08-26 21:21                                           ` Randy Brukardt
2013-08-24  8:06                                       ` David Thompson
2013-08-24 11:26                                         ` Stefan.Lucks
2013-08-07 21:46               ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2013-08-07 17:44           ` Björn Persson
2013-08-05 18:40 ` Jeffrey Carter
2013-08-06  6:26   ` Stephen Leake
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