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From: Peter Chapin <PChapin@vtc.vsc.edu>
Subject: Re: GNAT and Tasklets
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 19:39:22 -0500
Date: 2014-12-19T19:39:22-05:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.CYG.2.11.1412191929560.4116@WIL414CHAPIN.vtc.vsc.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2d4fc21f-5739-4100-9551-959b6822c761@googlegroups.com>

On Fri, 19 Dec 2014, vincent.diemunsch@gmail.com wrote:

> Ada have created the task abstraction to deal with parallelism...

I haven't tried any parallel programming with Ada but I have used both 
OpenMP and "direct" pthreads calls in parallel C programs. Creating and 
managing threads manually is a major pain compared to what OpenMP does. 
Sure it's possible to use threads directly but it clutters the program's 
logic and it's tricky to get it both right and efficient at the same time.

Ada's tasking features are a lot nicer than pthreads, but I agree with the 
point others have made that they are the wrong tool for writing parallel 
code... at least writing parallel code without extreme pain. Tasks are 
good for large, relatively independent chunks of logic that need to 
execute concurrently such as different control loops in an embedded 
system. However, when writing parallel code that will execute over highly 
regular data structures such as large matrices, explicit tasks are just a 
distraction. In such applications the existence of tasks is an 
implementation detail, not a design element.

Trying to use explicit tasks for parallel programming is a kind of 
abstraction inversion: using a high level construct to implement some low 
level functionality. Sure it is possible but the result is ugly and 
inefficient.

Peter


  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-12-20  0:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-12-10 16:31 GNAT and Tasklets vincent.diemunsch
2014-12-11 10:02 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2014-12-11 16:30   ` Anh Vo
2014-12-11 18:15     ` David Botton
2014-12-11 21:45     ` Egil H H
2014-12-11 23:09   ` Randy Brukardt
2014-12-12  2:28     ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2014-12-12  8:46   ` vincent.diemunsch
2014-12-12 23:33     ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-12-13  2:06   ` Brad Moore
2014-12-13  6:50     ` Dirk Craeynest
2014-12-14  0:18 ` Hubert
2014-12-14 21:29   ` vincent.diemunsch
2014-12-16  5:09     ` Brad Moore
2014-12-17 13:24       ` vincent.diemunsch
2014-12-16  4:42 ` Brad Moore
2014-12-17 13:06   ` vincent.diemunsch
2014-12-17 20:31     ` Niklas Holsti
2014-12-17 22:08       ` Randy Brukardt
2014-12-17 22:52         ` Björn Lundin
2014-12-17 23:58           ` Randy Brukardt
2014-12-18 10:39             ` Björn Lundin
2014-12-18 23:01               ` Randy Brukardt
2014-12-19  8:39                 ` Natasha Kerensikova
2014-12-19 23:39                   ` Randy Brukardt
2014-12-19  8:59                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-12-19 11:56                 ` Björn Lundin
2014-12-20  0:02                   ` Randy Brukardt
2014-12-18  8:42       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-12-18  8:56         ` vincent.diemunsch
2014-12-18  9:36           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-12-18 10:32             ` vincent.diemunsch
2014-12-18 11:19               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-12-18 12:09                 ` vincent.diemunsch
2014-12-18 13:07                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-12-19 10:40                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-12-19 11:01                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-12-19 16:42                       ` Brad Moore
2014-12-19 17:28                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-12-19 18:35                           ` Brad Moore
2014-12-19 20:37                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-12-20  1:05                               ` Randy Brukardt
2014-12-20 17:36                                 ` Brad Moore
2014-12-21 18:23                                   ` Brad Moore
2014-12-21 19:21                                     ` Shark8
2014-12-21 19:45                                       ` Brad Moore
2014-12-21 23:21                                         ` Shark8
2014-12-22 16:53                                           ` Brad Moore
2014-12-21 21:35                                     ` tmoran
2014-12-21 22:50                                       ` Brad Moore
2014-12-21 23:34                                         ` Shark8
2014-12-22 16:55                                           ` Brad Moore
2014-12-22 23:06                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2014-12-20 16:49                             ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2014-12-20 17:58                               ` Brad Moore
2014-12-19 19:43                           ` Peter Chapin
2014-12-19 20:45                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-12-19 20:56                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-12-19 23:55                           ` Randy Brukardt
2014-12-19 23:51                       ` Randy Brukardt
2014-12-18 22:33               ` Randy Brukardt
2014-12-19 13:01                 ` GNAT�and Tasklets vincent.diemunsch
2014-12-19 17:46                   ` GNAT?and Tasklets Brad Moore
2014-12-20  0:39                   ` Peter Chapin [this message]
2014-12-20  9:03                     ` GNAT and Tasklets Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-12-20  0:58                   ` GNAT�and Tasklets Randy Brukardt
2014-12-18  9:34         ` GNAT and Tasklets Niklas Holsti
2014-12-18  9:50           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-12-17 21:08     ` Brad Moore
2014-12-18  8:47       ` vincent.diemunsch
2014-12-18 21:58         ` Randy Brukardt
2014-12-17 22:18     ` Randy Brukardt
2014-12-18  0:56     ` Shark8
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