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From: Dmitry A.Kazakov <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: POLL: Would you use Ada more if...
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:24:48 +0200
Date: 2002-08-28T22:24:48+02:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aki0vi$1hv1fc$1@ID-77047.news.dfncis.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 5ee5b646.0208271741.45930506@posting.google.com

Robert Dewar wrote:

> ada@polarhome.com (Anatoly Chernyshev) wrote in message
> news:<2a038d0e.0208271023.6b0fc44e@posting.google.com>...
>> Dmitry A.Kazakov <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> wrote in message
>> news:<akflgg$1hdrbh$1@ID-77047.news.dfncis.de>...
> 
>> This is just an estimation made for fun, so I may be totally wrong.
> 
> Well in general it is certainly possible to store information in devices
> where the mass of a 0 and 1 are identical. For example, consider a slider
> with a weight sliding on it. If the weight is at one end it is a 0 and
> if it is at the other, it is a 1. Clearly the mass is the same in both
> cases, so I think the argument from entropy change is bogus :-)

[ I do not think it is that simple. There is no information without a 
reading device. The whole system shoud be considered. I belive that even a 
mechanical system would have states having different levels of energy. ]

[Even more OT] Approx. 10 years ago in Scientific American there was a 
paper considering implementation of Maxwell's daemons. Authors criticized 
the common point of view that solely a measuring process were the reason 
why a daemon could not work. They pointed that actually it could be 
possible to avoid that loss. But energy would get lost when information 
were erased, i.e. when the system had to be brought to a definite state 
before a new cycle.

-- 
Regards,
Dmitry Kazakov
www.dmitry-kazakov.de



  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-08-28 20:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-08-16  8:46 POLL: Would you use Ada more if Juha Valimaki
2002-08-16 11:25 ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-08-16 11:11   ` Preben Randhol
2002-08-16 11:54     ` John McCabe
2002-08-16 12:44       ` Preben Randhol
2002-08-16 13:17         ` John McCabe
2002-08-16 13:23           ` Preben Randhol
2002-08-16 13:32             ` John McCabe
2002-08-26 18:00               ` Robert A Duff
2002-08-27  8:28                 ` John McCabe
2002-08-27 22:56                 ` Dmitry A.Kazakov
2002-08-27 18:23                   ` Anatoly Chernyshev
2002-08-27 19:24                     ` Jim Rogers
2002-08-28 14:53                       ` Anatoly Chernyshev
2002-08-28 17:07                         ` Jim Rogers
2002-08-28 17:38                           ` Darren New
2002-08-28 18:29                             ` Jim Rogers
2002-08-29  0:40                             ` Jerry Petrey
2002-08-28  1:41                     ` Robert Dewar
2002-08-28  5:52                       ` tmoran
2002-08-28 19:49                         ` tmoran
2002-08-28 15:05                       ` Anatoly Chernyshev
2002-08-28 20:24                       ` Dmitry A.Kazakov [this message]
2002-08-17  4:09             ` Adrian Hoe
2002-08-17 10:12             ` Robert Dewar
2002-08-17 10:57               ` Preben Randhol
2002-08-17 18:00                 ` Robert Dewar
2002-08-17 19:45                   ` Caffeine Junky
2002-08-18  3:41                     ` AG
2002-08-17 20:59                   ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-08-17 21:11                   ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-08-18  8:40               ` Preben Randhol
2002-08-19  0:50                 ` Robert Dewar
2002-08-16 13:33           ` Eric Merritt
2002-08-16 13:41             ` John McCabe
2002-08-16 13:51               ` Eric Merritt
2002-08-16 15:03                 ` Darren New
2002-08-16 15:24                   ` Eric Merritt
2002-08-16 16:26                   ` Robert C. Leif
2002-09-01 22:33                     ` henderson was no auteur
2002-08-16 15:31                 ` Hyman Rosen
2002-08-16 16:17                   ` Eric Merritt
2002-08-16 16:51                     ` Hyman Rosen
2002-08-16 18:03                       ` Eric Merritt
2002-08-16 18:45                         ` Hyman Rosen
2002-08-16 23:11                       ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-08-16 20:46                   ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-08-17  6:22               ` Simon Wright
2002-08-17 15:53                 ` Robert Dewar
2002-08-17 16:09                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-08-17 17:00                     ` Juha Valimaki
2002-08-17 21:05                   ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-08-19  8:28                   ` John McCabe
2002-08-16 17:03             ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-08-16 16:28               ` Eric Merritt
2002-08-19  8:30               ` John McCabe
2002-08-19 14:03                 ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-08-16 18:27           ` Keith Thompson
2002-08-16 21:19             ` Juha Valimaki
2002-08-16 23:44               ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-08-17  7:49                 ` Juha Valimaki
2002-08-17 10:14               ` Robert Dewar
2002-08-17 12:43                 ` Juha Valimaki
2002-08-17 14:02                 ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-08-17 14:03                   ` chris.danx
2002-08-17 19:04                   ` Point of Information was " Robert C. Leif
2002-08-20  0:17                     ` Robert Dewar
2002-08-17 20:20                 ` Richard Riehle
2002-08-17 10:11           ` Robert Dewar
2002-08-18  2:05             ` Keith Thompson
2002-08-19  8:25             ` John McCabe
2002-08-20 15:48           ` pontius
2002-08-16 16:58         ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-08-16 16:24           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-08-16 17:38             ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-08-16 21:28               ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-08-17  4:04         ` Adrian Hoe
2002-08-16 11:25   ` John McCabe
2002-08-16 12:33     ` Preben Randhol
2002-08-16 13:19       ` John McCabe
2002-08-16 16:29         ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-08-18  1:52           ` AG
2002-08-19  2:34             ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-08-16 18:54         ` Randy Brukardt
2002-08-18 22:44           ` David Thompson
2002-08-17 10:16       ` Robert Dewar
2002-08-16 11:25 ` John McCabe
2002-08-16 13:38   ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2002-09-01 21:40     ` henderson was no auteur
2002-08-16 15:27   ` Juha Valimaki
2002-09-01 21:42     ` henderson was no auteur
2002-09-01 21:36   ` henderson was no auteur
2002-09-02 23:32     ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-09-03  2:33       ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2002-09-03  7:21       ` Dale Stanbrough
2002-08-16 14:00 ` Marin D. Condic
2002-08-19 17:10   ` Richard Riehle
2002-08-19 17:50     ` Marin D. Condic
2002-08-19 20:53     ` Juha Valimaki
2002-08-20  8:29     ` John McCabe
2002-08-20 16:04   ` Kevin Cline
2002-08-17 14:21 ` POLL: " chris.danx
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2002-08-28 17:43 Anatoly Chernyshev
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