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From: Agyaras <agyaras@kerekerdoe.hu>
Subject: Re: The future of Ada is at risk
Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 09:45:15 +0100
Date: 2008-01-04T09:45:15+01:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <agyaras-A5CD14.09451504012008@news.inode.at> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 20071229040639.f753f982.coolzone@it.dk

> The GNU GNAT Compiler is the only Open Source compiler, and
> it lacks proper support and implementation on a variety of platforms.
I can confirm this. E.g. it is a major headache to get the GNAT compiler 
working under Mac OS X. AdaCore stopped distributing GNAT/GPS (GPL) for 
the Mac. There has never been a GNAT/GPS package for Solaris AFAIK. 
etc.etc.

Ada and the Open Source community:- there are several problems.

1) Perception. Ada is still perceived as "the Pentagon language", and is 
associated in many people's minds with "evil". This perception is very 
difficult to change.
2) Complexity. Ada has been designed for large, complex, reliable 
software systems. Most open source projects are smaller and it is not 
worth the effort to use Ada: or would you use a tractor in your garden 
behind your house?
3) The quick-and-dirty mentality. This is very widespread in the current 
IT world. Deadline pressure leads to q&d coding, hence the popularity of 
dynamic script languages that promise rapid results. Goes completely 
against the Ada philosophy.
4) Ada limitations. Certain aspects of Ada are painfully clumsy. The 
three string libs, unnecessary multitude of I/O libs, primitive 
exception handling, constructors are not part of the language, 
finalization is an afterthought,....
5) Lack of libraries and frameworks. This is due to the unpopularity of 
the language. Ada needs at least a relational DB binding *that works* 
with the current open-source RDBMS-es (as opposed to Gnade), she needs a 
good scientific library, she needs simple but powerful string handling, 
just to name a few. The catch-22 is that nobody will develop these until 
there's strong demand for Ada-based s/w, and there won't be strong 
demand until the libs are available.

cheers,A

-- 
"Non est volentis, neque currentis, sed miserentis Dei"



  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-01-04  8:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 126+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-12-29  3:06 The future of Ada is at risk Rico Secada
2007-12-29 10:19 ` Pascal Obry
2007-12-29 19:24   ` Jerry van Dijk
2007-12-29 11:14 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-12-29 11:21 ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-12-30 12:30   ` Florian Weimer
2007-12-30 19:42     ` okellogg
2007-12-30 20:22       ` Florian Weimer
2007-12-31  0:21         ` Samuel Tardieu
2007-12-30 23:30       ` Simon Wright
2007-12-31  8:12     ` I. Levashew
2007-12-31  8:43       ` Florian Weimer
2007-12-31 10:16       ` Rico Secada
2007-12-31 10:31         ` Florian Weimer
2007-12-31 15:20         ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-12-31 21:35           ` Paul
2008-01-01 12:41           ` Florian Weimer
2007-12-29 16:19 ` I. Levashew
2007-12-29 16:24 ` anon
2007-12-29 19:16   ` Rico Secada
2007-12-30  0:38     ` The future of C# " Georg Bauhaus
2008-01-07  8:01   ` The future of Ada " Nasser Abbasi
2008-01-07 11:09     ` Robert A Duff
2008-01-07 11:54       ` Nasser Abbasi
2007-12-30  8:04 ` Phaedrus
2007-12-30  8:56   ` Pascal Obry
2007-12-30 21:42     ` Phaedrus
2007-12-30 23:08       ` Brian May
2007-12-30 23:32         ` Phaedrus
2007-12-31 12:33       ` I. Levashew
2008-01-02 10:46         ` Colin Paul Gloster
2007-12-30 11:08   ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-12-30 22:23     ` Phaedrus
2007-12-30 21:30   ` adaworks
2007-12-30 23:33     ` Phaedrus
2007-12-31  0:33   ` Samuel Tardieu
2008-01-01 14:14 ` Gautier
2008-01-01 14:46   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-01-04  8:45 ` Agyaras [this message]
2008-01-04  9:36   ` Pascal Obry
2008-01-04 13:13   ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-01-06  9:34     ` Agyaras
2008-01-06 10:26       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-01-06 12:03       ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-01-06 13:03       ` Frank J. Lhota
2008-01-07  3:46       ` Brian May
2008-01-08  2:22       ` Randy Brukardt
2008-01-04 23:17   ` Brian May
2008-01-05 10:22   ` Ludovic Brenta
2008-01-05 15:16     ` Robert A Duff
2008-01-05 15:36       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-01-05 15:46         ` Robert A Duff
2008-01-05 16:39           ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-01-05 17:14           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-01-06 22:08             ` Robert A Duff
2008-01-09  8:19   ` ahab
2008-01-05 10:21 ` Michael Bode
2008-01-05 10:30   ` Ludovic Brenta
2008-01-05 10:55     ` Michael Bode
2008-01-05 13:09       ` Ludovic Brenta
2008-01-05 13:32         ` Michael Bode
2008-01-05 20:36           ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2008-01-05 22:50             ` Michael Bode
2008-01-05 23:42               ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2008-01-05 11:11     ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-01-05 11:40       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-01-05 13:29         ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-01-05 14:35           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-01-05 17:42             ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-01-05 18:40               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-01-05 23:47             ` Brian May
2008-01-06  7:03               ` Vadim Godunko
2008-01-06  8:42               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-01-06 12:05                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-01-06 12:23                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-01-06 20:13                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-01-06 20:50                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-01-06 22:12                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-01-07  0:11                 ` Brian May
2008-01-07  5:23                   ` Per Sandberg
2008-01-08  0:04                     ` Brian May
2008-01-08  6:53                       ` Simon Wright
2008-01-08 14:35                         ` Vadim Godunko
2008-01-08 20:24                   ` Graham
2008-01-08 20:44                   ` Pascal Obry
2008-01-06  9:23               ` Pascal Obry
2008-01-07  0:05                 ` Brian May
2008-01-05 20:34   ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2008-01-05 20:52     ` Michael Bode
2008-01-05 21:40       ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-01-05 23:45       ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2008-01-06 11:16         ` Michael Bode
2008-01-06 19:20           ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2008-01-06 20:27             ` Michael Bode
2008-01-07 10:23   ` Stephen Leake
2008-01-07 17:54     ` Michael Bode
2008-01-11  7:21 ` Phaedrus
2008-01-11  8:49   ` Maciej Sobczak
2008-01-11 13:10     ` Peter C. Chapin
2008-01-11 15:41     ` Hyman Rosen
2008-01-12 14:31       ` Surfer
2008-01-12 20:54         ` Gautier
2008-01-11 19:58     ` Tero Koskinen
2008-01-11 21:41       ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-01-11 13:02   ` framefritti
2008-01-11 15:29     ` Peter C. Chapin
2008-01-11 17:24       ` Gary Scott
2008-01-11 18:20   ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2008-01-11 18:51     ` Gary Scott
2008-01-12  0:21       ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2008-01-12  8:15         ` Pascal Obry
2008-01-12 10:11           ` Brian May
2008-01-12 10:24             ` Pascal Obry
2008-01-12 17:43               ` Gary Scott
2008-01-12 18:14                 ` Pascal Obry
2008-01-12 22:24                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-01-13  3:54                     ` Ray Blaak
2008-01-13 14:05                       ` (see below)
2008-01-14  1:46                         ` Ray Blaak
2008-01-14  1:49                         ` Ray Blaak
2008-01-23  2:52                 ` adaworks
2008-01-12 10:47             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-01-11 22:32   ` Robert A Duff
2008-01-12  4:06     ` Phaedrus
2008-01-12 15:29       ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-01-12 20:55     ` jtg
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