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From: adaworks@netcom.com (AdaWorks)
Subject: Re: Ada is almost useless in embedded systems
Date: 1996/02/19
Date: 1996-02-19T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <adaworksDn1poH.Iu5@netcom.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 823906039.22113@assen.demon.co.uk

John McCabe (john@assen.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: I believe that Ada is badly designed with respect to interfacing to
: hardware and because of this should not be recommended for use in
: embedded systems.

  There have been truly abominable embedded systems project deployed
  written in Ada.  One could say the same of C, assembler and Forth.

  There are truly excellent embedded systems deployed written in Ada.
  This is also true of C, assembler, and Forth.

  The question, "Can Ada be used for the construction of well-performing
  embedded systems," is no longer a valid question. There are enough 
  operational systems in place to answer, "Yes."  

  We have no need to prove, through argument, whether Ada is appropriate
  for embedded systems software.  The Ada track-record speaks for itself.
  You have the burden of proof.  Since so many embedded systems are doing
  so well programmed in Ada, how do you prove it is not suited to such
  systems?

  The fact that some Ada software applications are horrible is not a function
  of the language, but a function of poor design, poor software practice,
  and often, in my experience, poor configuration management.

  Whatever reasons you may have are not relevant given Ada's record of 
  success.

  Do you recall the scientific proof that the Bumblebee could not fly because
  of its aerodymanic properties and wing-span?  

                      "Sweeny shifts from ham to ham,
                        Stirring the water in his bath."

  I do not recal the next two lines of Mr. Eliot's poem, but they 
  have to do with the folly of such proofs.                           

  Richard Riehle
-- 

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  parent reply	other threads:[~1996-02-19  0:00 UTC|newest]

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     [not found]   ` <dewar.823962356@schonberg>
1996-02-17  0:00     ` Ada is almost useless in embedded systems Tore Joergensen
1996-02-17  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1996-02-19  0:00       ` Keith Thompson
1996-02-19  0:00         ` John McCabe
1996-02-21  0:00           ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-02-21  0:00             ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-02-19  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
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     [not found]   ` <311E924E.74CE@escmail.orl.mmc.com>
1996-02-17  0:00     ` Ada is great for embedded systems (was Ada is almost useless in embedded systems) Ken & Virginia Garlington
     [not found]   ` <4fnqpm$3nh@news.sanders.lockheed.com>
1996-02-19  0:00     ` Ada is almost useless in embedded systems AdaWorks
1996-02-21  0:00       ` Hugh Dunne
1996-02-21  0:00       ` Ken Garlington
     [not found]   ` <4fnp37$nj1@theopolis.orl.mmc.com>
1996-02-22  0:00     ` Alan Brain
1996-02-19  0:00 ` R.A.L Williams
1996-02-21  0:00   ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-02-19  0:00 ` AdaWorks [this message]
1996-02-21  0:00   ` Ken Garlington
1996-02-23  0:00     ` AdaWorks
1996-02-26  0:00 ` R.A.L Williams
     [not found]   ` <4h3q56$1vk@goanna.cs.rmit.EDU.AU>
     [not found]     ` <dewar.825635955@schonberg>
     [not found]       ` <826571250.140@assen.demon.co.uk>
     [not found]         ` <dewar.826634800@schonberg>
1996-03-21  0:00           ` John McCabe
1996-03-23  0:00             ` Side-effect arithmetic again [was: Ada ... in embedded systems] John G. Volan
1996-03-23  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1996-03-25  0:00                 ` Tucker Taft
1996-03-25  0:00                   ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-03-25  0:00                   ` Robert A Duff
1996-03-26  0:00               ` John G. Volan
1996-03-26  0:00                 ` Robert A Duff
1996-03-26  0:00                   ` Tore Joergensen
1996-03-27  0:00                     ` John G. Volan
1996-03-29  0:00                       ` Robert A Duff
1996-03-30  0:00                         ` John G. Volan
1996-03-30  0:00                         ` John G. Volan
1996-03-31  0:00                           ` AdaWorks
1996-04-01  0:00                           ` Robert A Duff
1996-03-27  0:00                     ` John G. Volan
1996-03-28  0:00                       ` Tucker Taft
1996-03-28  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1996-03-29  0:00                           ` Tucker Taft
1996-03-29  0:00                             ` Tucker Taft
1996-03-27  0:00                     ` John G. Volan
1996-03-26  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1996-03-29  0:00                   ` Robert I. Eachus
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1996-02-17  0:00           ` Ada is almost useless in embedded systems Ken & Virginia Garlington
1996-02-17  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1996-02-18  0:00               ` John McCabe
1996-02-18  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1996-02-19  0:00                   ` John McCabe
     [not found]         ` <824259217.26321@assen.demon.co.uk>
1996-02-17  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1996-02-18  0:00             ` John McCabe
1996-02-18  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1996-02-19  0:00                 ` John McCabe
1996-02-20  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1996-02-21  0:00                   ` Fergus Henderson
     [not found]       ` <4fs7ml$cf1@rational.rational.com>
1996-02-26  0:00         ` Ada 83 " Alan Brain
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1996-03-15  0:00                     ` Bug or Limitation? (was: Ada is almost useless in embedded systems) Robert Dewar
1996-03-16  0:00                       ` Ted Dennison
1996-03-20  0:00                         ` Side-effect arithmetic again [was: Ada ... in embedded systems] Robert I. Eachus
1996-03-20  0:00                           ` John G. Volan
1996-03-22  0:00                             ` Alan Brain
1996-03-20  0:00                           ` Robert A Duff
1996-03-21  0:00                             ` Peter Hermann
1996-03-21  0:00                               ` Robert Dewar
1996-03-25  0:00                                 ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-03-28  0:00                               ` Mats Weber
1996-03-29  0:00                                 ` John G. Volan
1996-03-21  0:00                           ` Geert Bosch
1996-03-26  0:00                           ` Mats Weber
1996-03-15  0:00   ` Ada is almost useless in embedded systems Robert I. Eachus
     [not found]     ` <dirk.827148504@demokrit>
1996-03-18  0:00       ` David Weller
1996-03-18  0:00     ` Alan Brain
     [not found]       ` <4ik5bm$ogg@dayuc.dayton.saic.com>
1996-03-18  0:00         ` Side-effect arithmetic again [was: Ada ... in embedded systems] Robert Dewar
1996-03-19  0:00           ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-03-19  0:00           ` Jay Martin
1996-03-21  0:00             ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-03-16  0:00 ` Ada is almost useless in embedded systems Kevin Dalley
     [not found] <9603131418.AA01642@eight-ball>
1996-03-15  0:00 ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-03-15  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1996-03-18  0:00   ` Peter Hermann
1996-03-18  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1996-03-18  0:00   ` Stephen Crawley
1996-03-19  0:00 ` Laurent Guerby
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