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From: "Marin David Condic" <dont.bother.mcondic.auntie.spam@[acm.org>
Subject: Re: Microsoft takes on ACT
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 11:42:00 -0400
Date: 2002-05-28T15:42:01+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ad08g9$ko4$1@nh.pace.co.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 3CEF9F06.2050109@telepath.com

I know they didn't always get full data rights to everything in some of the
contexts in which I dealt with the DoD - but that might depend on what one
means by "full data rights". Usually they got access to source code - even
COTS - if it went into the deliverable end product. They would usually "own"
what we developed for them while not owning, say, the compiler's RTK. But
remember, this was "embedded" work. I'd imagine if you built a system that
ran on top of Unix or Windows, they wouldn't expect to get the source to
those OS's. (Come to think of it, we did support systems like that for them
from time to time & I don't recall that the OS was much of an issue in the
contracts.)

But does DoD want or need the source to Microsoft Word for all the clerks &
secretaries that are typing memos in the Pentagon? Probably not any moreso
than General Motors. There might be advantages to Open Source stuff in this
area (price, portability of the data, etc.) but it isn't obvious that the
advantages make Open Source the hands-down winner.

MDC
--
Marin David Condic
Senior Software Engineer
Pace Micro Technology Americas    www.pacemicro.com
Enabling the digital revolution
e-Mail:    marin.condic@pacemicro.com


"Ted Dennison" <dennison@telepath.com> wrote in message
news:3CEF9F06.2050109@telepath.com...
> Marin David Condic wrote:
>
> > Any user can have the full rights to any software they want. All it
takes is
> > a willingness to write up a cost-plus contract. :-) I don't know if the
DoD
> > gets full data rights - clout or not - for things they buy off the
shelf.
>
>
> No they don't. That's one of the contaversies about their going to COTS
> software. (At least it was 5 years ago when I last went through this).
>
>
>
>





  reply	other threads:[~2002-05-28 15:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-05-23 15:24 Microsoft takes on ACT Ted Dennison
2002-05-23 16:09 ` Marin David Condic
2002-05-24 13:31   ` Ted Dennison
2002-05-24 14:05     ` Marin David Condic
2002-05-25 14:26       ` Ted Dennison
2002-05-28 15:42         ` Marin David Condic [this message]
2002-05-24 14:52   ` Wes Groleau
2002-05-24 20:13   ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-05-23 18:01 ` Wes Groleau
2002-05-23 18:30   ` tmoran
2002-05-23 21:21     ` Marin David Condic
2002-05-24 14:02       ` Preben Randhol
2002-05-24 14:31         ` Marin David Condic
2002-05-25  5:48           ` OT: " tmoran
2002-05-28 15:50             ` Marin David Condic
2002-05-25  7:58           ` Preben Randhol
2002-05-24 18:45         ` OT: Microsoft takes on history Frank J. Lhota
2002-05-24 19:05           ` Preben Randhol
2002-05-24 19:51             ` Marin David Condic
2002-05-25  8:12               ` Preben Randhol
2002-05-25 10:31                 ` Frank J. Lhota
2002-05-25 12:16                   ` Preben Randhol
2002-05-25 15:40                   ` Robert Dewar
2002-05-25 17:08                     ` Frank J. Lhota
2002-06-07 22:14                     ` Randy Brukardt
2002-05-25 20:09                 ` Robert C. Leif
2002-05-24 19:57             ` Frank J. Lhota
2002-05-24 20:35               ` Preben Randhol
2002-05-25  0:41                 ` Frank J. Lhota
2002-05-28 16:14                   ` Marin David Condic
2002-05-29 16:18                     ` Stephen Leake
2002-05-29 17:37                       ` Marin David Condic
2002-05-29 21:32                       ` Dan Andreatta
2002-05-30  6:35                         ` Robert C. Leif
2002-05-30 14:12                           ` Marin David Condic
2002-05-31  5:38                             ` XML & Ada was " Robert C. Leif
2002-05-30 13:45                         ` Marin David Condic
2002-05-30 15:11                         ` Stephen Leake
2002-05-29 20:34                     ` John Doe
2002-05-24 20:54             ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-05-24 20:26               ` Preben Randhol
2002-05-28 16:20                 ` Marin David Condic
2002-05-24 19:34           ` Marin David Condic
2002-05-24 20:29           ` OT: " David Marceau
2002-05-24 20:42             ` Preben Randhol
2002-05-25  0:52             ` Frank J. Lhota
2002-05-25 11:19               ` Robert Dewar
2002-05-25 11:50                 ` Frank J. Lhota
2002-05-25 14:37                 ` Steve Doiel
2002-05-25 16:46                 ` ON Topic: Ada for CP/M Frank J. Lhota
2002-05-25 22:57                   ` Robert Dewar
2002-05-26  5:57                     ` Adrian Hoe
2002-06-07 21:56                       ` Randy Brukardt
2002-05-28 16:24                     ` Marin David Condic
2002-05-29 13:48                       ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-05-29 13:17                         ` Marin David Condic
2002-05-30  0:43                           ` Darren New
2002-05-30 13:58                             ` Marin David Condic
2002-05-31 18:19                               ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-05-31 18:31                                 ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-05 13:09                         ` [OT] VMS, was: " Simon Clubley
2002-05-30  2:53                       ` Robert Dewar
2002-06-07 22:10                 ` OT: Microsoft takes on history Randy Brukardt
2002-05-25 15:41               ` Robert Dewar
2002-05-23 18:43   ` Microsoft takes on ACT chris.danx
2002-05-24  2:19     ` Ted Dennison
2002-05-24  3:09     ` Adrian Hoe
2002-05-24 12:29       ` chris.danx
2002-05-24 13:39         ` Ingo Marks
2002-05-24 14:32           ` chris.danx
2002-05-24 17:59             ` OT: SuSE, Raid (was: Microsoft takes on ACT) Wilhelm Spickermann
2002-05-25  0:15               ` chris.danx
2002-05-25  5:25                 ` Wilhelm Spickermann
2002-05-25 23:45                   ` chris.danx
2002-05-26  4:57                     ` OT: " Wilhelm Spickermann
2002-05-26  9:52                     ` Preben Randhol
2002-05-26 10:40                     ` David C. Hoos, Sr.
2002-05-25  9:36               ` OT: " Ingo Marks
2002-05-25 15:08             ` Microsoft takes on ACT Adrian Hoe
2002-05-24 14:56         ` [OT] Microsoft vs. Linux vs. Wes Groleau
2002-05-25 15:25           ` Adrian Hoe
2002-05-25 21:38       ` [OT] Switching to Linux (was: Microsoft takes on ACT) Michal Nowak
2002-05-26  9:37         ` Preben Randhol
2002-05-27  9:23           ` Michal Nowak
2002-06-11  6:30             ` Adrian Hoe
2002-05-23 19:54 ` Microsoft takes on ACT sk
2002-05-23 21:14   ` Michael Bode
2002-05-25 22:41   ` Robert Dewar
2002-05-26 20:19     ` Florian Weimer
2002-05-26 21:04       ` Preben Randhol
2002-05-27  6:46         ` Florian Weimer
2002-05-27  6:46         ` Florian Weimer
2002-05-27 23:37       ` Robert I. Eachus
2002-05-28  9:30         ` Preben Randhol
2002-05-28 16:34     ` Marin David Condic
2002-05-24  8:08 ` Dewi Daniels
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