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From: "Marin David Condic" <dont.bother.mcondic.auntie.spam@[acm.org>
Subject: Re: OT: Microsoft takes on history
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 15:51:35 -0400
Date: 2002-05-24T19:51:37+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <acm5k9$4ar$1@nh.pace.co.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: slrnaet3n4.1kd.randhol+abuse@kiuk0156.chembio.ntnu.no

"Preben Randhol" <randhol+abuse@pvv.org> wrote in message
news:slrnaet3n4.1kd.randhol+abuse@kiuk0156.chembio.ntnu.no...
>
> Yes, but then you need goverments that take action when the free market
> doesn't work because the biggest companies uses illegal methods to keep
> their position. You do not need goverments who looks the other way and
> says "ok, but next time try to keep it secret".
>
The concept of a "Free Market" is not quite up there with "Total Chaos" and
those who espouse free markets do not generally condone criminal behavior.
We do need governments to establish laws governing conduct in the
marketplace so that fraud, theft, chaos and destruction are not used as
tools of commerce. (Businessmen are just as capable of being corrupt as are
politicians. Fortunately, they don't usually control the army and police
force. :-) But that doesn't mean that we therefore need governments deciding
what should be made, how it should be made, when it should be made, to whom
it should be given, etc. etc. etc. That is a "Command" economy and every one
ever created has either already collapsed or is on the verge of collapsing.


> The problem with the free market is that the only steering comitee it is
> supposed to have is the consumers. This is not enough. There will always
> be the collective irrationalism to hinder it, besides the consumers do
> not have any means of dealing with the cheating in the free market. If
> you think so, then tell me why people stick to the hopless Word
> wordprocessor of writing documents when there are better alternatives.
> Because everybody else uses Word. See what I mean?
>
Markets may be Efficient, but they are not necessarily Fast. Word didn't
gain its dominance by not offering the customer some kind of value they
couldn't get elsewhere. Once it got its dominance, it can hang onto it for a
good long time, but eventually a better product that better satisfies what
the market wants can and will supplant Word. (Star Office is making inroads
to the market is it not?)

And if the choice of Word is irrational, what substitute would we have to
make the "choice" of word processors more rational? A committee in
Washington deciding what the current best offering is for word processing &
then mandating it be used by all computer users? I'd rather leave it to the
irrational market. :-)

> And speaking of free market, why does the USA impose a tax on imported
> steel now?
>
Who said everyone who votes in the United States is a Milton Friedman Free
Market Advocate in good standing? Voters here run the gammut all the way
from Pure, Unadultrated Fat-Free Capitalists to Absolute Totalitarian
Command Economy Communists and every stripe in between. Politicians who want
to buy votes will cater to the desires of the interest groups out there who
want all sorts of stupid things - including the right to pick the pockets of
their neighbors to buy the stuff they want. Just because an idea is *stupid*
doesn't mean you can't convince a bunch of voters to back it.

MDC
--
Marin David Condic
Senior Software Engineer
Pace Micro Technology Americas    www.pacemicro.com
Enabling the digital revolution
e-Mail:    marin.condic@pacemicro.com





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Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-05-23 15:24 Microsoft takes on ACT Ted Dennison
2002-05-23 16:09 ` Marin David Condic
2002-05-24 13:31   ` Ted Dennison
2002-05-24 14:05     ` Marin David Condic
2002-05-25 14:26       ` Ted Dennison
2002-05-28 15:42         ` Marin David Condic
2002-05-24 14:52   ` Wes Groleau
2002-05-24 20:13   ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-05-23 18:01 ` Wes Groleau
2002-05-23 18:30   ` tmoran
2002-05-23 21:21     ` Marin David Condic
2002-05-24 14:02       ` Preben Randhol
2002-05-24 14:31         ` Marin David Condic
2002-05-25  5:48           ` OT: " tmoran
2002-05-28 15:50             ` Marin David Condic
2002-05-25  7:58           ` Preben Randhol
2002-05-24 18:45         ` OT: Microsoft takes on history Frank J. Lhota
2002-05-24 19:05           ` Preben Randhol
2002-05-24 19:51             ` Marin David Condic [this message]
2002-05-25  8:12               ` Preben Randhol
2002-05-25 10:31                 ` Frank J. Lhota
2002-05-25 12:16                   ` Preben Randhol
2002-05-25 15:40                   ` Robert Dewar
2002-05-25 17:08                     ` Frank J. Lhota
2002-06-07 22:14                     ` Randy Brukardt
2002-05-25 20:09                 ` Robert C. Leif
2002-05-24 19:57             ` Frank J. Lhota
2002-05-24 20:35               ` Preben Randhol
2002-05-25  0:41                 ` Frank J. Lhota
2002-05-28 16:14                   ` Marin David Condic
2002-05-29 16:18                     ` Stephen Leake
2002-05-29 17:37                       ` Marin David Condic
2002-05-29 21:32                       ` Dan Andreatta
2002-05-30  6:35                         ` Robert C. Leif
2002-05-30 14:12                           ` Marin David Condic
2002-05-31  5:38                             ` XML & Ada was " Robert C. Leif
2002-05-30 13:45                         ` Marin David Condic
2002-05-30 15:11                         ` Stephen Leake
2002-05-29 20:34                     ` John Doe
2002-05-24 20:54             ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-05-24 20:26               ` Preben Randhol
2002-05-28 16:20                 ` Marin David Condic
2002-05-24 19:34           ` Marin David Condic
2002-05-24 20:29           ` OT: " David Marceau
2002-05-24 20:42             ` Preben Randhol
2002-05-25  0:52             ` Frank J. Lhota
2002-05-25 11:19               ` Robert Dewar
2002-05-25 11:50                 ` Frank J. Lhota
2002-05-25 14:37                 ` Steve Doiel
2002-05-25 16:46                 ` ON Topic: Ada for CP/M Frank J. Lhota
2002-05-25 22:57                   ` Robert Dewar
2002-05-26  5:57                     ` Adrian Hoe
2002-06-07 21:56                       ` Randy Brukardt
2002-05-28 16:24                     ` Marin David Condic
2002-05-29 13:48                       ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-05-29 13:17                         ` Marin David Condic
2002-05-30  0:43                           ` Darren New
2002-05-30 13:58                             ` Marin David Condic
2002-05-31 18:19                               ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-05-31 18:31                                 ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-05 13:09                         ` [OT] VMS, was: " Simon Clubley
2002-05-30  2:53                       ` Robert Dewar
2002-06-07 22:10                 ` OT: Microsoft takes on history Randy Brukardt
2002-05-25 15:41               ` Robert Dewar
2002-05-23 18:43   ` Microsoft takes on ACT chris.danx
2002-05-24  2:19     ` Ted Dennison
2002-05-24  3:09     ` Adrian Hoe
2002-05-24 12:29       ` chris.danx
2002-05-24 13:39         ` Ingo Marks
2002-05-24 14:32           ` chris.danx
2002-05-24 17:59             ` OT: SuSE, Raid (was: Microsoft takes on ACT) Wilhelm Spickermann
2002-05-25  0:15               ` chris.danx
2002-05-25  5:25                 ` Wilhelm Spickermann
2002-05-25 23:45                   ` chris.danx
2002-05-26  4:57                     ` OT: " Wilhelm Spickermann
2002-05-26  9:52                     ` Preben Randhol
2002-05-26 10:40                     ` David C. Hoos, Sr.
2002-05-25  9:36               ` OT: " Ingo Marks
2002-05-25 15:08             ` Microsoft takes on ACT Adrian Hoe
2002-05-24 14:56         ` [OT] Microsoft vs. Linux vs. Wes Groleau
2002-05-25 15:25           ` Adrian Hoe
2002-05-25 21:38       ` [OT] Switching to Linux (was: Microsoft takes on ACT) Michal Nowak
2002-05-26  9:37         ` Preben Randhol
2002-05-27  9:23           ` Michal Nowak
2002-06-11  6:30             ` Adrian Hoe
2002-05-23 19:54 ` Microsoft takes on ACT sk
2002-05-23 21:14   ` Michael Bode
2002-05-25 22:41   ` Robert Dewar
2002-05-26 20:19     ` Florian Weimer
2002-05-26 21:04       ` Preben Randhol
2002-05-27  6:46         ` Florian Weimer
2002-05-27  6:46         ` Florian Weimer
2002-05-27 23:37       ` Robert I. Eachus
2002-05-28  9:30         ` Preben Randhol
2002-05-28 16:34     ` Marin David Condic
2002-05-24  8:08 ` Dewi Daniels
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