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From: "Marin David Condic" <dont.bother.mcondic.auntie.spam@[acm.org>
Subject: Re: Rant! (was) Development process in the Ada community
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 09:19:53 -0400
Date: 2002-04-17T13:19:55+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a9jspr$k7f$1@nh.pace.co.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 3CBCE84E.811EA1C3@adaworks.com

"Richard Riehle" <richard@adaworks.com> wrote in message
news:3CBCE84E.811EA1C3@adaworks.com...
>
> OK, let's get this straight.    The DoD has not decided to quit Ada.   I
still
> correspond with former Assistant Secretary of Defense Emmett Paige
> from time to time and I gather that one of his disappointments is the
> misinterpretation of his memo abrogating the Ada mandate.   If I may

I think the problem was a huge misjudgement of how his memo would be
interpreted. Maybe Secretary Paige didn't intend for the memo to be
interpreted as the DoD abandoning Ada, but that sure was the net effect.
Perhaps part of it was willfull misinterpretation on the part of some who
hated Ada and The Mandate so they could use it as an excuse to rush off and
do what they wanted to in the first place. Perhaps there was a kind of a
logical inference on the part of others that this is what it meant: "You
used to insist that Ada was the right answer and now you're saying 'go forth
and select whatever makes sense' so I can reasonably guess that this amounts
to 'Ada was a mistake'..."

Sometimes perception *is* reality. Especially when we're dealing in a
political & social realm. Once The Mandate was instituted, any attempt to
back off from it was going to be perceived as weakness and lack of resolve.
Once that chink showed up in the armor, the Ada Haters of America charged in
to exploit it with gusto and the more ambivalent ones in the crowd stuck
their fingers into the air to find which way the wind was blowing and
decided it wasn't towards Ada.

Maybe The Mandate was a mistake to begin with. Maybe it should have been
abandoned. But if abandonment of The Mandate had to be done and there wasn't
a desire to simultaneously abandon Ada, then perhaps the DoD could have done
more to show it still thought Ada was a good idea and that it supported it.
(DoD could have allocated significant money to build development tools,
etc., that might have made Ada a more attractive choice, for example.)
Instead, they effectively said "you're on your own - sink or swim..." which
clearly added to the perception that DoD was "abandoning" Ada.

MDC
--
Marin David Condic
Senior Software Engineer
Pace Micro Technology Americas    www.pacemicro.com
Enabling the digital revolution
e-Mail:    marin.condic@pacemicro.com





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2002-04-10 16:33 Development process in the Ada community Michael Erdmann
2002-04-10 23:28 ` Randy Brukardt
2002-04-11  4:53   ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-11  7:34     ` Petter Fryklund
2002-04-11 16:39       ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-11  8:37     ` Eric G. Miller
2002-04-11 13:27       ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-12 12:33         ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-04-12 12:56           ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-12 23:59         ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-11 17:26       ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-11 10:41     ` Martin Dowie
2002-04-11 16:50       ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-11 18:21         ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-12  4:43           ` tmoran
2002-04-12 11:13             ` Claw thick bindings to sockets (was: Development process in the Ada..) Larry Kilgallen
2002-04-12 17:22               ` tmoran
2002-04-12 21:24                 ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-04-12 23:18                   ` tmoran
2002-04-12 23:19           ` Development process in the Ada community tony
2002-04-12 23:52           ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-15 14:35             ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-11 20:26       ` Randy Brukardt
2002-04-11 12:38     ` Jim Rogers
2002-04-11 16:48       ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-11 18:09       ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-11 18:26         ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-11 21:05           ` Randy Brukardt
2002-04-11 22:26           ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-12 13:13             ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-15 14:28               ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-15 17:53                 ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-12  8:35           ` Ingo Marks
2002-04-12 14:37             ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-12 15:44               ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-04-11 21:14 ` Rant! (was) " Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-11 23:20   ` tony
2002-04-12  0:55     ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-04-12  1:21       ` Pat Rogers
2002-04-12 15:57       ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-04-12 22:20         ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-04-12 21:02       ` --off topic " tony
2002-04-12 23:52         ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-04-14 10:57           ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-04-14 22:17             ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-04-12 14:57     ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-12 23:12       ` tony
2002-04-12 10:10   ` Ingo Marks
2002-04-12 11:11     ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-04-12 23:18       ` tmoran
2002-04-12 17:22     ` Florian Weimer
2002-04-12 17:38       ` Mário Amado Alves
2002-04-12 18:29       ` Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-13  3:30     ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-13 10:12       ` martin.m.dowie
2002-04-13 13:21         ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-04-13 13:39           ` martin.m.dowie
2002-04-13 14:12             ` Gary Scott
2002-04-13 14:20         ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-13 16:03           ` martin.m.dowie
2002-04-15 15:03             ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-16  8:30               ` Frank
2002-04-21 11:35                 ` Michal Nowak
2002-04-16 15:43               ` martin.m.dowie
2002-04-16 16:53                 ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-17  6:16                   ` martin.m.dowie
2002-04-17 12:55                     ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-17  7:50                   ` Ingo Marks
2002-04-17 12:01                     ` Gary Scott
2002-04-17 13:29                     ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-17 18:40                       ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-18 15:02                         ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-18 15:28                           ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-17 13:29                     ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-17 19:31                       ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-04-18 14:15             ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-18 18:35               ` Paranoia about .NET (still): " Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-18 21:43                 ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-19 11:49                 ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-19 23:34                   ` Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-19 23:14                 ` rc211v
2002-04-20  3:00                   ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-04-23 17:27                   ` Wish List : Ada95 to FOX Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-04-23 19:24                     ` Stephen Leake
2002-04-23 19:30                     ` Randy Brukardt
2002-04-26 22:06                     ` rc211v
2002-04-24  0:00                   ` Jeffrey Carter
     [not found]                   ` <3CC5997E.4 <3CC5F5B0.DBC6A6B8@boeing.com>
2002-04-24  8:47                     ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2002-04-24 15:15                     ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-16  1:41           ` Rant! (was) Development process in the Ada community Richard Riehle
2002-04-16 19:40             ` [OT] MS vs Linux vs who in the student heart? (still mostly): " Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-17  2:09               ` Adrian Hoe
2002-04-12 21:17   ` Wes Groleau
2002-04-13  0:23   ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-13 22:07     ` Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-14  8:01       ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-14 10:24         ` Ingo Marks
2002-04-14 10:26           ` Ingo Marks
2002-04-14 11:41           ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-14 12:48             ` Ingo Marks
2002-04-14 13:42               ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-17  3:13           ` Richard Riehle
2002-04-17 13:19             ` Marin David Condic [this message]
2002-04-14 14:44         ` Gary Scott
2002-04-14 15:44           ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-14 15:54         ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-04-14 16:33           ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-14 21:46             ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-04-15 15:39             ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-16 16:34               ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-16 17:28                 ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-17 17:02                   ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-17 21:09                     ` Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-17 21:25                       ` Darren New
2002-04-17 23:14                         ` Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-17 23:24                           ` Darren New
2002-04-18  4:34                             ` Eric G. Miller
2002-04-18 14:08                               ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-18 18:34                                 ` Al Reynolds
2002-04-18 19:15                                   ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-18 20:03                                 ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-18 20:45                                 ` Ingo Marks
2002-04-18  4:42                             ` Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-18 13:16                               ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-18 13:54                               ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-18 18:25                                 ` Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-18 19:05                                   ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-18 21:41                                   ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-18 17:12                           ` Pascal Obry
2002-04-15 15:11           ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-15 15:28           ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-16 16:53             ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-16 17:49               ` Ingo Marks
2002-04-16 17:57               ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-18 14:04               ` Bill Tate
2002-04-18 14:45                 ` Gary Scott
2002-04-18 20:12                   ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-18 20:09                 ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-13  0:59   ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-13  7:38     ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-13  7:46 ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-13 13:24   ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-04-13 16:01     ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-13 17:18       ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-04-13 19:02         ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-13 21:34           ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-04-14  8:28             ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-14 16:00               ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-04-13 22:24         ` Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-14  0:00           ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-04-15  3:03             ` Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-14  3:04           ` Gary Scott
2002-04-15  3:00             ` Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-16  2:37               ` Gary Scott
2002-04-14  8:51 ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-14  9:52   ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-04-14 10:37     ` Ingo Marks
2002-04-14 11:50     ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-14 20:41   ` tmoran
2002-04-15 14:45     ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-15 15:59       ` Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-15 19:45       ` Randy Brukardt
2002-04-17 16:29         ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-17 22:30           ` Randy Brukardt
2002-04-21  5:56             ` David Botton
2002-04-21  7:13               ` tmoran
2002-04-21 21:14                 ` David Botton
2002-04-22 21:46                   ` Randy Brukardt
2002-04-23  4:47                     ` GPL and the big picture (was Re: Development process in the Ada community) David Botton
2002-04-23  5:11                       ` David Botton
2002-04-24 19:52                       ` Randy Brukardt
2002-04-21 11:02               ` Development process in the Ada community Adrian Hoe
2002-04-21 21:21                 ` David Botton
2002-04-15 22:02       ` tmoran
2002-04-17 16:55         ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-17 17:15           ` Stephen Leake
2002-04-17 18:01             ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-18 19:22               ` Stephen Leake
2002-04-21  5:35                 ` David Botton
2002-04-21  5:34               ` David Botton
2002-04-18  5:12             ` Eric G. Miller
2002-04-18 13:31               ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-19  2:50                 ` Eric G. Miller
2002-04-21  5:33             ` David Botton
2002-04-17  3:25       ` Richard Riehle
2002-04-17  5:07         ` Open Source: in conflict with the development process in the Ada community? Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-17 10:14           ` Hyman Rosen
2002-04-17 13:20             ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-17 14:06           ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-19 14:20             ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-19 16:04               ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-22 13:44                 ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-19 23:48               ` How Open Source software developers pay the bills, from within a successful such operation (was): " Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-20 16:41                 ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-20 18:08                   ` Florian Weimer
2002-04-21  0:38                     ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-21  1:44                 ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-22 16:06                   ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-23 12:44                     ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-23 20:48                       ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-23 23:50                       ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-04-20  6:28               ` tmoran
2002-04-20  6:53                 ` Florian Weimer
2002-04-20 11:53                   ` Frank J. Lhota
2002-04-20 13:14                     ` Florian Weimer
2002-04-20 14:50                       ` Frank J. Lhota
2002-04-21 11:13                       ` Ingo Marks
2002-04-21 21:23                         ` Darren New
2002-04-22 13:42                         ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-22 16:11                       ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-20 16:07                   ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-17 13:53         ` Development process in the Ada community Marin David Condic
2002-04-18 14:50           ` Stephen Leake
2002-04-18 15:43             ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-19  5:23               ` Simon Wright
2002-04-22 15:41                 ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-17 17:58         ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-17 20:39           ` Stephen Leake
2002-04-17 20:54             ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-18 15:43               ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-17 22:18           ` Randy Brukardt
2002-04-18 15:39             ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-19  3:16               ` Randy Brukardt
2002-04-20  5:56                 ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-20 16:30                   ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-20 18:31                     ` tmoran
2002-04-20 21:32                       ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-22  0:30                         ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-04-22 13:40                           ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-22 14:27                           ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-22 17:40                             ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-22 17:48                             ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-21  0:57                       ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-21  5:23                         ` tmoran
2002-04-21 15:59                           ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-21 17:47                             ` tmoran
2002-04-21  1:03                       ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-21  9:07                         ` Florian Weimer
2002-04-22 15:11                           ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-23 15:38                             ` Hyman Rosen
2002-04-23 16:03                               ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-20 19:41                     ` tmoran
2002-04-21  0:28                       ` Richard Riehle
2002-04-21  0:33                         ` Jason King
2002-04-22 15:22                         ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-23  4:09                           ` Randy Brukardt
2002-04-23  5:30                             ` Simon Wright
2002-04-26 18:25                               ` Randy Brukardt
2002-04-29 14:44                                 ` Shared generics Hyman Rosen
2002-04-29 19:47                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2002-04-23 13:28                             ` Development process in the Ada community Marin David Condic
2002-04-20 21:16                     ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-15 17:19     ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-17 18:09       ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-17 20:42         ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-16  8:29     ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-04-16 13:31       ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-16 17:46       ` tmoran
2002-04-17  3:34         ` Richard Riehle
2002-04-17 12:11           ` John English
2002-04-15 16:29 ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-16 11:28   ` Martin Dowie
2002-04-16 13:38     ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-17 18:36   ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-17 20:14     ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-18 16:00       ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-18 17:32         ` Hyman Rosen
2002-04-18 17:48           ` Grace and Maps (was Re: Development process in the Ada community) Marin David Condic
2002-04-19 13:29             ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-19 14:23               ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-20 13:42                 ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-20 19:54                   ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-22 13:21                     ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-20 19:12                 ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-04-22 13:40                   ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-20 19:49                 ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-21  1:33                   ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-21  5:49                     ` Simon Wright
2002-04-21  8:55                       ` Hyman Rosen
2002-04-21 18:49                         ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-21 20:17                       ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-22  0:36                     ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-04-22  5:20                       ` Simon Wright
2002-04-22 13:34                         ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-22 16:16                           ` Darren New
2002-04-22 22:31                         ` Jeffrey Carter
     [not found]                         ` <4519e058.0204220534.2eb33730@posting.go <3CC48F34.5A474E0F@boeing.com>
2002-04-22 23:26                           ` Darren New
2002-04-23  2:15                             ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-04-23  4:57                               ` Darren New
2002-04-23  7:10                                 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2002-04-23 14:52                                   ` Stephen Leake
2002-04-23 19:08                                   ` Darren New
2002-04-24 12:22                                     ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2002-04-24 13:53                                       ` Darren New
2002-04-24 15:02                                         ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2002-04-24 15:25                                           ` Darren New
2002-04-24 15:39                                             ` Darren New
2002-04-24 19:32                                             ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2002-04-24 19:58                                               ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2002-04-24 19:14                                           ` Randy Brukardt
2002-04-24 20:01                                             ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2002-04-24 20:09                                               ` Darren New
2002-04-23 12:49                                 ` Alan Reynolds
2002-04-23 16:46                                   ` Darren New
2002-04-23 18:55                                     ` Alan Reynolds
2002-04-23  6:26                               ` Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-23  2:38                             ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-23 18:57                             ` Anders Gidenstam
2002-04-23  2:32                           ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-23 23:46                             ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-04-24 15:01                               ` Darren New
     [not found]                         ` <4519e058.0204220534.2eb33730@posting.go <3CC4E9DA.E02BE0DA@san.rr.com>
2002-04-23  5:21                           ` Simon Wright
2002-04-23  7:37                             ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2002-04-23 22:33                             ` David Bolen
2002-04-24  6:42                               ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2002-04-24 18:18                                 ` David Bolen
2002-04-25  7:40                                   ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2002-04-25 22:23                                     ` David Bolen
2002-04-24 17:25                         ` Jeffrey Carter
     [not found]                         ` <4519e058.0204220534.2eb33730@posting.go <3CC6EA85.CA2735B2@boeing.com>
2002-04-24 17:48                           ` Darren New
2002-04-24 23:12                             ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-04-25  0:11                               ` Darren New
2002-04-24 19:51                           ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
     [not found]                         ` <4519e058.0204220534.2eb33730@posting.go <3CC5B161.C719C5D8@san.rr.com>
2002-04-26  5:27                           ` Simon Wright
2002-04-22 13:31                       ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-22 14:15                         ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2002-04-22 23:59                         ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-04-22 14:37                     ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-22 18:44                     ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-23  2:18                       ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-23 14:46                     ` Stephen Leake
2002-04-23 17:50                     ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-04-23 18:27                       ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-24 14:20                         ` John English
2002-04-24 15:05                           ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-26  5:41                           ` Simon Wright
2002-04-23 18:59                       ` Stephen Leake
2002-04-23 19:13                         ` Darren New
2002-04-23 19:26                           ` Stephen Leake
2002-04-23 19:44                             ` Darren New
2002-04-24 16:49                               ` Stephen Leake
2002-04-24 17:10                                 ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-25 12:30                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-04-25 13:35                                     ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-27  8:57                                       ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2002-04-29 14:57                                         ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-29 15:07                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2002-04-29 15:10                                         ` Darren New
2002-04-25 16:44                                   ` Darren New
2002-04-25 17:05                                     ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-26 16:31                                       ` Stephen Leake
2002-04-29 15:06                                         ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-30 17:16                                           ` Stephen Leake
2002-04-30 18:31                                             ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-26 17:16                                       ` Darren New
2002-04-26 17:53                                         ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-28  0:09                                           ` Darren New
2002-04-25 17:44                                   ` Stephen Leake
     [not found]                                   ` <aa8ssi$qjr$1 <3CCD6197.9070905@mail.com>
2002-04-30  4:49                                     ` Simon Wright
2002-04-30 14:05                                       ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-30 14:32                                         ` Marin David Condic
2002-05-02 15:52                                           ` Ted Dennison
2002-05-01 22:17                                         ` Simon Wright
2002-04-24 17:25                                 ` Darren New
2002-04-24 19:36                                   ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2002-04-24 19:38                                 ` David Bolen
2002-04-24 21:57                                   ` Stephen Leake
     [not found]                           ` <uznzumd1p.fsf@gsfc.nasa.gov <aac468$3hh$1@nh.pace.co.uk>
2002-04-27  5:29                             ` Simon Wright
2002-04-29 15:16                               ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-27 14:37                           ` Larry Kilgallen
     [not found]                           ` <uznzumd1p.fsf@gsfc.nasa.govOrganization: LJK Software <tW4Tz4KHL8Bt@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2002-04-29 15:26                             ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-21  5:46                   ` Simon Wright
2002-04-21 18:44                     ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-22 14:31                   ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-25  2:29                 ` Brian Gaffney
2002-04-25 14:06                   ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-20  0:42             ` David Bolen
2002-04-22  2:57               ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-22 22:58                 ` David Bolen
2002-04-18 18:50           ` [OT] Focusing on tools you know in programming libraries. (was): Development process in the Ada community Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-18 18:57           ` Data!, was " tmoran
2002-04-18 20:51           ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-18 21:28             ` Gary Scott
2002-04-18 22:10               ` Pascal Obry
2002-04-18 23:08                 ` Darren New
2002-04-19 13:29                   ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-20  3:04                     ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-04-18 22:28             ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-04-19 10:07               ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-04-19 10:13                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-04-20  5:12             ` Simon Wright
2002-04-19 11:00           ` John English
2002-04-19 16:45             ` Ingo Marks
2002-04-18 20:28         ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-17 23:31     ` martin.m.dowie
2002-04-17 18:04 ` Outside view (still): " Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-17 19:10   ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-17 22:15   ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-17 23:20     ` Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-18  1:19       ` Pat Rogers
2002-04-18  4:53         ` Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-18  5:40         ` Simon Wright
2002-04-19 13:22           ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-18  8:25         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-04-18  2:12       ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-04-18  5:03         ` Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-18 12:50           ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-04-18 14:34             ` Gary Scott
2002-04-18 13:43           ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-18  4:21       ` Richard Riehle
2002-04-18  4:59         ` Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-18 14:44           ` new Ada language features needed? Stephen Leake
2002-04-18 14:07         ` Outside view (still): Development process in the Ada community Marin David Condic
2002-04-19 17:39           ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-19 18:58             ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-20 17:35               ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-22 17:57               ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-22 19:46                 ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-22 20:24                   ` Florian Weimer
2002-04-23  4:54                     ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-23 20:37                       ` Florian Weimer
2002-04-25 17:29                         ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-27  8:26 ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-27 23:54   ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-28 14:18     ` Michael Erdmann
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