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From: "Marin David Condic" <dont.bother.mcondic.auntie.spam@[acm.org>
Subject: Re: Development process in the Ada community
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 09:31:04 -0400
Date: 2002-04-16T13:31:06+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a9h92q$br1$1@nh.pace.co.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: a9gnce$9td$2@a1-hrz.uni-duisburg.de

Lots of models have been tried with mixed success. How exactly do you say
"Here, you can have this product free of charge, but if you feel like it you
can give me some money..." and get that to generate the kind of revenue
needed to continue to support & enhance the product? For something like
Gnat, the model is "You can have the product free of charge, but enough
people will want support to pay for it and that keeps the project afloat."
It apparently works for a compiler reasonably well, but lots of products
have little to zero demand for support. Others have tried "You can have the
source code free of charge, but if you'd like pre-compiled versions with
documentation, we can do that for a price..." That works for other things
like Linux or RTEMS. Crippled versions of things at no charge with
full-features available at a price has sometimes worked - but that doesn't
work well if you are of the One True Religion of "Open Source" :-)

At the end of the day, products need people to develop/enhance/support them
and those people need to do things like eat and pay rent, so *somebody* is
going to have to pay the freight. Even the "free" software out there is paid
for via the developer(s) generosity with their time or their employer's
subsidizing the effort in some manner. I'm of the belief that if Ada
developers find a way to make Ada development pay, it will create more Ada
developers - and that's a good thing for all of us. (How many times do we
see posts with some version of "Ada may be cool, but why should I waste my
time learning it if I can't get a job doing it....?" :-)

MDC
--
Marin David Condic
Senior Software Engineer
Pace Micro Technology Americas    www.pacemicro.com
Enabling the digital revolution
e-Mail:    marin.condic@pacemicro.com


"Georg Bauhaus" <sb463ba@l1-hrz.uni-duisburg.de> wrote in message
news:a9gnce$9td$2@a1-hrz.uni-duisburg.de...
>
> Is there no way of asking business clients to pay you for your
> work even if the license doesn't require them (or others) to do
> so? I, for one, have no problem of paying craftspeople if I need
> their service, and I think I'm not alone.
>





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Thread overview: 425+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-04-10 16:33 Development process in the Ada community Michael Erdmann
2002-04-10 23:28 ` Randy Brukardt
2002-04-11  4:53   ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-11  7:34     ` Petter Fryklund
2002-04-11 16:39       ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-11  8:37     ` Eric G. Miller
2002-04-11 13:27       ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-12 12:33         ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-04-12 12:56           ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-12 23:59         ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-11 17:26       ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-11 10:41     ` Martin Dowie
2002-04-11 16:50       ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-11 18:21         ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-12  4:43           ` tmoran
2002-04-12 11:13             ` Claw thick bindings to sockets (was: Development process in the Ada..) Larry Kilgallen
2002-04-12 17:22               ` tmoran
2002-04-12 21:24                 ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-04-12 23:18                   ` tmoran
2002-04-12 23:19           ` Development process in the Ada community tony
2002-04-12 23:52           ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-15 14:35             ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-11 20:26       ` Randy Brukardt
2002-04-11 12:38     ` Jim Rogers
2002-04-11 16:48       ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-11 18:09       ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-11 18:26         ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-11 21:05           ` Randy Brukardt
2002-04-11 22:26           ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-12 13:13             ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-15 14:28               ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-15 17:53                 ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-12  8:35           ` Ingo Marks
2002-04-12 14:37             ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-12 15:44               ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-04-11 21:14 ` Rant! (was) " Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-11 23:20   ` tony
2002-04-12  0:55     ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-04-12  1:21       ` Pat Rogers
2002-04-12 15:57       ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-04-12 22:20         ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-04-12 21:02       ` --off topic " tony
2002-04-12 23:52         ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-04-14 10:57           ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-04-14 22:17             ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-04-12 14:57     ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-12 23:12       ` tony
2002-04-12 10:10   ` Ingo Marks
2002-04-12 11:11     ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-04-12 23:18       ` tmoran
2002-04-12 17:22     ` Florian Weimer
2002-04-12 17:38       ` Mário Amado Alves
2002-04-12 18:29       ` Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-13  3:30     ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-13 10:12       ` martin.m.dowie
2002-04-13 13:21         ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-04-13 13:39           ` martin.m.dowie
2002-04-13 14:12             ` Gary Scott
2002-04-13 14:20         ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-13 16:03           ` martin.m.dowie
2002-04-15 15:03             ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-16  8:30               ` Frank
2002-04-21 11:35                 ` Michal Nowak
2002-04-16 15:43               ` martin.m.dowie
2002-04-16 16:53                 ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-17  6:16                   ` martin.m.dowie
2002-04-17 12:55                     ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-17  7:50                   ` Ingo Marks
2002-04-17 12:01                     ` Gary Scott
2002-04-17 13:29                     ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-17 18:40                       ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-18 15:02                         ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-18 15:28                           ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-17 13:29                     ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-17 19:31                       ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-04-18 14:15             ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-18 18:35               ` Paranoia about .NET (still): " Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-18 21:43                 ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-19 11:49                 ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-19 23:34                   ` Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-19 23:14                 ` rc211v
2002-04-20  3:00                   ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-04-23 17:27                   ` Wish List : Ada95 to FOX Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-04-23 19:24                     ` Stephen Leake
2002-04-23 19:30                     ` Randy Brukardt
2002-04-26 22:06                     ` rc211v
2002-04-24  0:00                   ` Jeffrey Carter
     [not found]                   ` <3CC5997E.4 <3CC5F5B0.DBC6A6B8@boeing.com>
2002-04-24  8:47                     ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2002-04-24 15:15                     ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-16  1:41           ` Rant! (was) Development process in the Ada community Richard Riehle
2002-04-16 19:40             ` [OT] MS vs Linux vs who in the student heart? (still mostly): " Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-17  2:09               ` Adrian Hoe
2002-04-12 21:17   ` Wes Groleau
2002-04-13  0:23   ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-13 22:07     ` Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-14  8:01       ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-14 10:24         ` Ingo Marks
2002-04-14 10:26           ` Ingo Marks
2002-04-14 11:41           ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-14 12:48             ` Ingo Marks
2002-04-14 13:42               ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-17  3:13           ` Richard Riehle
2002-04-17 13:19             ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-14 14:44         ` Gary Scott
2002-04-14 15:44           ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-14 15:54         ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-04-14 16:33           ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-14 21:46             ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-04-15 15:39             ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-16 16:34               ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-16 17:28                 ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-17 17:02                   ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-17 21:09                     ` Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-17 21:25                       ` Darren New
2002-04-17 23:14                         ` Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-17 23:24                           ` Darren New
2002-04-18  4:34                             ` Eric G. Miller
2002-04-18 14:08                               ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-18 18:34                                 ` Al Reynolds
2002-04-18 19:15                                   ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-18 20:03                                 ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-18 20:45                                 ` Ingo Marks
2002-04-18  4:42                             ` Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-18 13:16                               ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-18 13:54                               ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-18 18:25                                 ` Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-18 19:05                                   ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-18 21:41                                   ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-18 17:12                           ` Pascal Obry
2002-04-15 15:11           ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-15 15:28           ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-16 16:53             ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-16 17:49               ` Ingo Marks
2002-04-16 17:57               ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-18 14:04               ` Bill Tate
2002-04-18 14:45                 ` Gary Scott
2002-04-18 20:12                   ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-18 20:09                 ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-13  0:59   ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-13  7:38     ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-13  7:46 ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-13 13:24   ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-04-13 16:01     ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-13 17:18       ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-04-13 19:02         ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-13 21:34           ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-04-14  8:28             ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-14 16:00               ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-04-13 22:24         ` Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-14  0:00           ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-04-15  3:03             ` Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-14  3:04           ` Gary Scott
2002-04-15  3:00             ` Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-16  2:37               ` Gary Scott
2002-04-14  8:51 ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-14  9:52   ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-04-14 10:37     ` Ingo Marks
2002-04-14 11:50     ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-14 20:41   ` tmoran
2002-04-15 14:45     ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-15 15:59       ` Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-15 19:45       ` Randy Brukardt
2002-04-17 16:29         ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-17 22:30           ` Randy Brukardt
2002-04-21  5:56             ` David Botton
2002-04-21  7:13               ` tmoran
2002-04-21 21:14                 ` David Botton
2002-04-22 21:46                   ` Randy Brukardt
2002-04-23  4:47                     ` GPL and the big picture (was Re: Development process in the Ada community) David Botton
2002-04-23  5:11                       ` David Botton
2002-04-24 19:52                       ` Randy Brukardt
2002-04-21 11:02               ` Development process in the Ada community Adrian Hoe
2002-04-21 21:21                 ` David Botton
2002-04-15 22:02       ` tmoran
2002-04-17 16:55         ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-17 17:15           ` Stephen Leake
2002-04-17 18:01             ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-18 19:22               ` Stephen Leake
2002-04-21  5:35                 ` David Botton
2002-04-21  5:34               ` David Botton
2002-04-18  5:12             ` Eric G. Miller
2002-04-18 13:31               ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-19  2:50                 ` Eric G. Miller
2002-04-21  5:33             ` David Botton
2002-04-17  3:25       ` Richard Riehle
2002-04-17  5:07         ` Open Source: in conflict with the development process in the Ada community? Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-17 10:14           ` Hyman Rosen
2002-04-17 13:20             ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-17 14:06           ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-19 14:20             ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-19 16:04               ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-22 13:44                 ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-19 23:48               ` How Open Source software developers pay the bills, from within a successful such operation (was): " Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-20 16:41                 ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-20 18:08                   ` Florian Weimer
2002-04-21  0:38                     ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-21  1:44                 ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-22 16:06                   ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-23 12:44                     ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-23 20:48                       ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-23 23:50                       ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-04-20  6:28               ` tmoran
2002-04-20  6:53                 ` Florian Weimer
2002-04-20 11:53                   ` Frank J. Lhota
2002-04-20 13:14                     ` Florian Weimer
2002-04-20 14:50                       ` Frank J. Lhota
2002-04-21 11:13                       ` Ingo Marks
2002-04-21 21:23                         ` Darren New
2002-04-22 13:42                         ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-22 16:11                       ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-20 16:07                   ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-17 13:53         ` Development process in the Ada community Marin David Condic
2002-04-18 14:50           ` Stephen Leake
2002-04-18 15:43             ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-19  5:23               ` Simon Wright
2002-04-22 15:41                 ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-17 17:58         ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-17 20:39           ` Stephen Leake
2002-04-17 20:54             ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-18 15:43               ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-17 22:18           ` Randy Brukardt
2002-04-18 15:39             ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-19  3:16               ` Randy Brukardt
2002-04-20  5:56                 ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-20 16:30                   ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-20 18:31                     ` tmoran
2002-04-20 21:32                       ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-22  0:30                         ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-04-22 13:40                           ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-22 14:27                           ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-22 17:40                             ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-22 17:48                             ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-21  0:57                       ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-21  5:23                         ` tmoran
2002-04-21 15:59                           ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-21 17:47                             ` tmoran
2002-04-21  1:03                       ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-21  9:07                         ` Florian Weimer
2002-04-22 15:11                           ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-23 15:38                             ` Hyman Rosen
2002-04-23 16:03                               ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-20 19:41                     ` tmoran
2002-04-21  0:28                       ` Richard Riehle
2002-04-21  0:33                         ` Jason King
2002-04-22 15:22                         ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-23  4:09                           ` Randy Brukardt
2002-04-23  5:30                             ` Simon Wright
2002-04-26 18:25                               ` Randy Brukardt
2002-04-29 14:44                                 ` Shared generics Hyman Rosen
2002-04-29 19:47                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2002-04-23 13:28                             ` Development process in the Ada community Marin David Condic
2002-04-20 21:16                     ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-15 17:19     ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-17 18:09       ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-17 20:42         ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-16  8:29     ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-04-16 13:31       ` Marin David Condic [this message]
2002-04-16 17:46       ` tmoran
2002-04-17  3:34         ` Richard Riehle
2002-04-17 12:11           ` John English
2002-04-15 16:29 ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-16 11:28   ` Martin Dowie
2002-04-16 13:38     ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-17 18:36   ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-17 20:14     ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-18 16:00       ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-18 17:32         ` Hyman Rosen
2002-04-18 17:48           ` Grace and Maps (was Re: Development process in the Ada community) Marin David Condic
2002-04-19 13:29             ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-19 14:23               ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-20 13:42                 ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-20 19:54                   ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-22 13:21                     ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-20 19:12                 ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-04-22 13:40                   ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-20 19:49                 ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-21  1:33                   ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-21  5:49                     ` Simon Wright
2002-04-21  8:55                       ` Hyman Rosen
2002-04-21 18:49                         ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-21 20:17                       ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-22  0:36                     ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-04-22  5:20                       ` Simon Wright
2002-04-22 13:34                         ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-22 16:16                           ` Darren New
2002-04-22 22:31                         ` Jeffrey Carter
     [not found]                         ` <4519e058.0204220534.2eb33730@posting.go <3CC48F34.5A474E0F@boeing.com>
2002-04-22 23:26                           ` Darren New
2002-04-23  2:15                             ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-04-23  4:57                               ` Darren New
2002-04-23  7:10                                 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2002-04-23 14:52                                   ` Stephen Leake
2002-04-23 19:08                                   ` Darren New
2002-04-24 12:22                                     ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2002-04-24 13:53                                       ` Darren New
2002-04-24 15:02                                         ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2002-04-24 15:25                                           ` Darren New
2002-04-24 15:39                                             ` Darren New
2002-04-24 19:32                                             ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2002-04-24 19:58                                               ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2002-04-24 19:14                                           ` Randy Brukardt
2002-04-24 20:01                                             ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2002-04-24 20:09                                               ` Darren New
2002-04-23 12:49                                 ` Alan Reynolds
2002-04-23 16:46                                   ` Darren New
2002-04-23 18:55                                     ` Alan Reynolds
2002-04-23  6:26                               ` Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-23  2:38                             ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-23 18:57                             ` Anders Gidenstam
2002-04-23  2:32                           ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-23 23:46                             ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-04-24 15:01                               ` Darren New
     [not found]                         ` <4519e058.0204220534.2eb33730@posting.go <3CC4E9DA.E02BE0DA@san.rr.com>
2002-04-23  5:21                           ` Simon Wright
2002-04-23  7:37                             ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2002-04-23 22:33                             ` David Bolen
2002-04-24  6:42                               ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2002-04-24 18:18                                 ` David Bolen
2002-04-25  7:40                                   ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2002-04-25 22:23                                     ` David Bolen
2002-04-24 17:25                         ` Jeffrey Carter
     [not found]                         ` <4519e058.0204220534.2eb33730@posting.go <3CC6EA85.CA2735B2@boeing.com>
2002-04-24 17:48                           ` Darren New
2002-04-24 23:12                             ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-04-25  0:11                               ` Darren New
2002-04-24 19:51                           ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
     [not found]                         ` <4519e058.0204220534.2eb33730@posting.go <3CC5B161.C719C5D8@san.rr.com>
2002-04-26  5:27                           ` Simon Wright
2002-04-22 13:31                       ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-22 14:15                         ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2002-04-22 23:59                         ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-04-22 14:37                     ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-22 18:44                     ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-23  2:18                       ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-23 14:46                     ` Stephen Leake
2002-04-23 17:50                     ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-04-23 18:27                       ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-24 14:20                         ` John English
2002-04-24 15:05                           ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-26  5:41                           ` Simon Wright
2002-04-23 18:59                       ` Stephen Leake
2002-04-23 19:13                         ` Darren New
2002-04-23 19:26                           ` Stephen Leake
2002-04-23 19:44                             ` Darren New
2002-04-24 16:49                               ` Stephen Leake
2002-04-24 17:10                                 ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-25 12:30                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-04-25 13:35                                     ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-27  8:57                                       ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2002-04-29 14:57                                         ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-29 15:07                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2002-04-29 15:10                                         ` Darren New
2002-04-25 16:44                                   ` Darren New
2002-04-25 17:05                                     ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-26 16:31                                       ` Stephen Leake
2002-04-29 15:06                                         ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-30 17:16                                           ` Stephen Leake
2002-04-30 18:31                                             ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-26 17:16                                       ` Darren New
2002-04-26 17:53                                         ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-28  0:09                                           ` Darren New
2002-04-25 17:44                                   ` Stephen Leake
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2002-04-30  4:49                                     ` Simon Wright
2002-04-30 14:05                                       ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-30 14:32                                         ` Marin David Condic
2002-05-02 15:52                                           ` Ted Dennison
2002-05-01 22:17                                         ` Simon Wright
2002-04-24 17:25                                 ` Darren New
2002-04-24 19:36                                   ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2002-04-24 19:38                                 ` David Bolen
2002-04-24 21:57                                   ` Stephen Leake
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2002-04-27  5:29                             ` Simon Wright
2002-04-29 15:16                               ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-27 14:37                           ` Larry Kilgallen
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2002-04-29 15:26                             ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-21  5:46                   ` Simon Wright
2002-04-21 18:44                     ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-22 14:31                   ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-25  2:29                 ` Brian Gaffney
2002-04-25 14:06                   ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-20  0:42             ` David Bolen
2002-04-22  2:57               ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-22 22:58                 ` David Bolen
2002-04-18 18:50           ` [OT] Focusing on tools you know in programming libraries. (was): Development process in the Ada community Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-18 18:57           ` Data!, was " tmoran
2002-04-18 20:51           ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-18 21:28             ` Gary Scott
2002-04-18 22:10               ` Pascal Obry
2002-04-18 23:08                 ` Darren New
2002-04-19 13:29                   ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-20  3:04                     ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-04-18 22:28             ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-04-19 10:07               ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-04-19 10:13                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-04-20  5:12             ` Simon Wright
2002-04-19 11:00           ` John English
2002-04-19 16:45             ` Ingo Marks
2002-04-18 20:28         ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-17 23:31     ` martin.m.dowie
2002-04-17 18:04 ` Outside view (still): " Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-17 19:10   ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-17 22:15   ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-17 23:20     ` Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-18  1:19       ` Pat Rogers
2002-04-18  4:53         ` Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-18  5:40         ` Simon Wright
2002-04-19 13:22           ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-18  8:25         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-04-18  2:12       ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-04-18  5:03         ` Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-18 12:50           ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-04-18 14:34             ` Gary Scott
2002-04-18 13:43           ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-18  4:21       ` Richard Riehle
2002-04-18  4:59         ` Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-18 14:44           ` new Ada language features needed? Stephen Leake
2002-04-18 14:07         ` Outside view (still): Development process in the Ada community Marin David Condic
2002-04-19 17:39           ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-19 18:58             ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-20 17:35               ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-22 17:57               ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-22 19:46                 ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-22 20:24                   ` Florian Weimer
2002-04-23  4:54                     ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-23 20:37                       ` Florian Weimer
2002-04-25 17:29                         ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-27  8:26 ` Michael Erdmann
2002-04-27 23:54   ` Robert Dewar
2002-04-28 14:18     ` Michael Erdmann
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