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From: "Marin David Condic" <dont.bother.mcondic.auntie.spam@[acm.org>
Subject: Re: Nethack! (was): AdaGames
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 11:48:53 -0500
Date: 2002-04-04T16:48:55+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a8i05n$ji$1@nh.pace.co.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 3CAC7AC6.A6DBDC32@despammed.com

Its hard to collect metrics without having at least *some* of the developers
feeling that they will be rewarded or punished on the basis of the data you
collect. Hence, there's always *some* incentive to cheat. However, at least
in the studies I was involved in, there was a lot of grumbling about
metrics, but I never saw any obvious attempts to inflate or otherwise doctor
the measurements of code size.

Whatever you use: SLOCs, Semicolons, Halstead Bits, Source Bytes, Object
Bytes, anything. They all have weaknesses & can be artificially controlled.
But what choices do we have? We need some means of at least roughly
approximating code size or we might as well give up on trying to measure &
understand what we do. (I've been told by just about all of the developers I
ever collected metrics from that this would be just fine with them. However
after years of doing it, we were definitely able to see improvements in our
processes.)

MDC
--
Marin David Condic
Senior Software Engineer
Pace Micro Technology Americas    www.pacemicro.com
Enabling the digital revolution
e-Mail:    marin.condic@pacemicro.com


"Wes Groleau" <wesgroleau@despammed.com> wrote in message
news:3CAC7AC6.A6DBDC32@despammed.com...

>
> This is true as long as the programmers were not
> thinking that there would be any reward or punishment
> for a higher or lower count.  Take a well-written
> module of a reasonable size in any language, and there
> are usually ways to greatly change the metric without
> changing behavior.
>






  reply	other threads:[~2002-04-04 16:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 98+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-03-28 11:10 AdaGames Enrico A.
2002-03-28 12:29 ` AdaGames Erik Sigra
2002-03-28 14:30   ` AdaGames Preben Randhol
2002-03-28 16:47     ` AdaGames Erik Sigra
2002-03-28 17:55       ` AdaGames Preben Randhol
2002-03-28 18:48         ` AdaGames Erik Sigra
2002-03-28 19:13           ` AdaGames Stephen Leake
2002-03-28 21:58           ` AdaGames Preben Randhol
2002-03-29  7:10           ` AdaGames Bobby D. Bryant
2002-03-29 20:25             ` AdaGames Erik Sigra
2002-03-28 16:00   ` AdaGames chris.danx
2002-03-28 16:27     ` AdaGames Preben Randhol
2002-03-28 20:49       ` AdaGames Kent Paul Dolan
2002-03-28 22:02         ` AdaGames Preben Randhol
2002-04-02 23:11           ` AdaGames Kent Paul Dolan
2002-03-28 18:11     ` AdaGames chris.danx
2002-03-28 19:21   ` AdaGames Ted Dennison
2002-03-29  7:20     ` AdaGames Bobby D. Bryant
2002-03-29 14:28       ` AdaGames Wes Groleau
2002-03-29 14:51       ` AdaGames Ted Dennison
2002-03-28 20:39   ` AdaGames (SDL) Chad R. Meiners
2002-03-28 15:07 ` AdaGames Marin David Condic
2002-03-29  2:14   ` AdaGames Darren New
2002-03-29 14:15     ` AdaGames Marin David Condic
2002-03-30  1:43       ` AdaGames Darren New
2002-04-01 14:23         ` AdaGames Ted Dennison
2002-04-01 16:57           ` AdaGames Darren New
2002-04-01 22:18             ` AdaGames Ted Dennison
2002-04-01 22:42               ` AdaGames Darren New
2002-03-28 15:13 ` AdaGames Ted Dennison
2002-03-29  7:24   ` AdaGames Bobby D. Bryant
2002-03-28 20:55 ` AdaGames Kent Paul Dolan
2002-03-28 22:47   ` AdaGames Randy Brukardt
2002-03-29 14:53     ` AdaGames Ted Dennison
2002-04-02  2:05       ` AdaGames Randy Brukardt
2002-03-29 15:08     ` AdaGames Ted Dennison
2002-03-28 20:59 ` Nethack! (was): AdaGames Kent Paul Dolan
2002-03-29 14:13   ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-01  8:01     ` Juanma Barranquero
2002-04-01 15:04       ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-02  9:27         ` Juanma Barranquero
2002-04-02 14:54           ` Preben Randhol
2002-04-03  6:43             ` Juanma Barranquero
2002-04-02 18:30           ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-03  7:02             ` Juanma Barranquero
2002-04-03 15:06               ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-03 15:31                 ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-04  4:40                   ` tmoran
2002-04-04  6:14                     ` Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-04 14:16                       ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-04  6:10                   ` Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-04 14:26                     ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-04  6:56                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2002-04-04 16:46                   ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-05  7:37                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2002-04-03  9:44             ` Preben Randhol
2002-04-03 15:50               ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-03 16:14                 ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-04 16:09                   ` Wes Groleau
2002-04-04 16:48                     ` Marin David Condic [this message]
2002-04-04 16:57                     ` Mário Amado Alves
2002-04-04 18:07                       ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-05  5:14                       ` SLOC-wars Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-05  8:36                         ` SLOC-wars Bobby D. Bryant
2002-04-05 14:37                           ` SLOC-wars Marin David Condic
2002-04-08 13:35                             ` SLOC-wars Ted Dennison
2002-04-08 14:12                               ` SLOC-wars Marin David Condic
2002-04-09 14:15                                 ` SLOC-wars Wes Groleau
2002-04-05 14:25                         ` SLOC-wars Marin David Condic
2002-04-07 19:07                           ` SLOC-wars John R. Strohm
2002-04-08 14:59                           ` SLOC-wars Wes Groleau
2002-04-08 15:13                             ` SLOC-wars Marin David Condic
2002-04-05 22:51                         ` SLOC-wars John R. Strohm
2002-04-06 22:19                           ` SLOC-wars Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-06 23:17                             ` SLOC-wars Larry Kilgallen
2002-04-08 14:35                               ` SLOC-wars Marin David Condic
2002-04-09 15:04                                 ` SLOC-wars Wes Groleau
2002-04-10 13:39                                 ` SLOC-wars Ted Dennison
2002-04-10 14:54                                   ` SLOC-wars Marin David Condic
2002-04-07 18:58                             ` SLOC-wars John R. Strohm
2002-04-08 15:06                           ` SLOC-wars Wes Groleau
2002-04-05 14:43                     ` Nethack! (was): AdaGames Ted Dennison
2002-04-05 14:51                       ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-05 20:41                       ` Metrics! (was) " Wes Groleau
2002-04-06 22:11                         ` Kent Paul Dolan
2002-04-08 13:29                         ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-03 17:09                 ` Bobby D. Bryant
2002-04-04 14:19                   ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-03 17:17                 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2002-04-04 16:19                 ` Preben Randhol
2002-04-04 16:47                   ` SLOC! (was Nethack! (was): AdaGames) Wes Groleau
2002-04-01 18:05       ` Nethack! (was): AdaGames Ralph Moeritz
2002-04-02  9:29         ` Juanma Barranquero
2002-03-29  1:52 ` AdaGames Adrian Hoe
2002-03-29  7:29 ` AdaGames Bobby D. Bryant
2002-04-02 23:43   ` Nethack (again)!: AdaGames Kent Paul Dolan
2002-03-29 18:40 ` AdaGames Pascal Obry
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-04-05  1:36 Nethack! (was): AdaGames Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
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