From: "Marin David Condic" <dont.bother.mcondic.auntie.spam@[acm.org>
Subject: Re: Language support for flexible handling of system-detected errors.
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 10:18:22 -0500
Date: 2002-04-04T15:18:23+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <a8hqrv$r83$1@nh.pace.co.uk> (raw)
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"Ingo Marks" <adv@region-nord.de> wrote in message
news:a8h129$cr6$02$1@news.t-online.com...
>
> The question is: Do you want to write comfortable software or do you want
> to write software comfortably?
>
Any reason it can't be both?
> Of course, MSVC++ is a comfortable environment for writing C++
> applications. But are the applications you write comfortable for your
> customer?
>
Reliable, usable, functional and desirable programs can be written in any
language - including C++ using MSVC++. Its just more work getting them there
than it might be using Ada.
> I think it is better to write reliable software with Ada and "simple"
tools
> like Xemacs editor and some Ada library than to use a pretty development
> environment which produces results of questionable quality.
>
"Pretty development environment" does not of necessity equate to
"questionable quality" of the end product. Certainly many things can be
accomplished with a simple editor and a command line compiler. That doesn't
guarantee "high quality" any more so than a spiffy IDE and large class
library is going to mean "low quality". No environment can make you write
good code.
> I have developed for many years in many programming languages, but Ada is
> the first language which helped me to a) reduce my programming time (about
> half compared to C++) and b) to produce really realiable code. I don't
like
> to use a compiler which I don't know to be error free or not. A computer
> science professor told me, that there is _no_ 100% error free C++ compiler
> in the world!
>
I will readily agree that (all other things being equal) Ada programming
speeds development over C/C++ programming. I've seen enough data to convince
me of that. The problem is that some given C++ (or Java or other language)
development environment that provides you with a large library of code to
leverage can quickly eliminate any advantage Ada has if the Ada environment
doesn't have a similar library. All other things are seldom equal. :-)
What makes you think that there are any 100% error free Ada compilers out
there? :-) Its impossible to prove that there are no errors in a compiler or
any other sufficiently complex piece of software. And yes, I've encountered
errors in every Ada compiler I've ever used. It might be the case that Ada
compilers - having run through validation - at least fully implement the
language and do so in a consistent way. It might be the case that C++
compilers don't adhere to the definition of C++ because they have not run
through a similar validation process. But that's a different thing than not
having any errors.
MDC
--
Marin David Condic
Senior Software Engineer
Pace Micro Technology Americas www.pacemicro.com
Enabling the digital revolution
e-Mail: marin.condic@pacemicro.com
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2002-03-24 0:16 ` Language support for flexible handling of system-detected errors Adam Tissa
2002-03-24 0:46 ` Jim Rogers
2002-03-24 6:45 ` Tissa Adam
2002-03-24 19:58 ` Rodrigo Cunha
2002-03-25 10:17 ` Tim Shoppa
2002-03-26 23:29 ` Kent Paul Dolan
2002-03-24 11:38 ` Simon Wright
2002-03-24 12:42 ` Marc A. Criley
2002-03-24 14:56 ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-03-24 18:59 ` Steve Doiel
2002-03-26 22:42 ` Adam Tissa
2002-03-27 6:31 ` Simon Wright
2002-03-26 22:42 ` Cost of Ada support Adam Tissa
2002-03-26 23:06 ` Mark Johnson
2002-03-27 0:17 ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-27 22:14 ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-28 15:30 ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-29 3:29 ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-29 14:39 ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-27 12:13 ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-03-27 9:23 ` Pascal Obry
2002-03-24 13:28 ` Language support for flexible handling of system-detected errors chris.danx
2002-03-25 12:32 ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-03-24 14:52 ` Paul Repacholi
2002-03-24 22:35 ` Greg Bek
2002-03-26 6:48 ` Richard Riehle
2002-03-25 10:42 ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2002-03-26 16:27 ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-28 3:10 ` Maynard Handley
2002-03-28 5:17 ` Andrew W. Reynolds
2002-03-28 15:03 ` Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com>
2002-03-28 15:54 ` Nick Maclaren
2002-03-28 16:19 ` hack
2002-03-28 17:22 ` Nick Maclaren
2002-03-28 18:49 ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-29 10:04 ` Nick Maclaren
2002-03-29 14:20 ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-29 15:09 ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-01 14:28 ` Wes Groleau
2002-04-01 16:29 ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-02 18:21 ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-28 15:36 ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-29 14:49 ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-03-29 16:56 ` hack
2002-03-29 17:14 ` Preben Randhol
2002-03-29 18:37 ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-01 15:53 ` hack
2002-04-01 16:47 ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-02 17:15 ` hack
2002-04-04 10:34 ` pascal stenuit
2002-04-01 17:44 ` Stephen Leake
2002-04-01 18:22 ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-29 18:05 ` tmoran
2002-03-29 18:41 ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-30 13:46 ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-04-01 15:35 ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-28 15:39 ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-03-29 14:44 ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-02 1:04 ` David Hoyt
2002-04-02 21:51 ` Maynard Handley
2002-04-03 14:34 ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-04 3:34 ` Mark Bottomley
2002-04-04 14:48 ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-04 16:04 ` Wes Groleau
2002-04-04 7:07 ` Ketil Malde
2002-04-04 15:01 ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-04 16:54 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-04-04 17:56 ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-05 16:57 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-04-05 18:07 ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-10 16:29 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-04-04 7:58 ` Ingo Marks
2002-04-04 15:18 ` Marin David Condic [this message]
2002-04-08 17:17 ` Kevin Cline
2002-04-08 17:44 ` Ingo Marks
2002-04-08 18:10 ` Nick Maclaren
2002-03-28 17:01 ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-28 17:27 ` Pascal Obry
2002-03-28 18:45 ` Simon Wright
2002-03-29 0:33 ` Ned Holbrook
2002-03-29 2:19 ` Tony Finch
2002-03-29 4:15 ` Darren New
2002-03-29 14:50 ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-30 3:38 ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-04-01 14:31 ` Wes Groleau
2002-04-01 15:46 ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-02 18:28 ` Wes Groleau
2002-04-02 18:48 ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-03 7:17 ` Adam Tissa
2002-04-03 17:58 ` Darren New
2002-03-29 16:28 ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-03-29 17:08 ` hack
2002-03-29 17:38 ` Nick Maclaren
2002-03-30 15:06 ` Peter da Silva
2002-03-30 17:26 ` Erik Corry
2002-03-28 22:37 ` Randy Brukardt
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