From: Ingo Marks <adv@region-nord.de>
Subject: Re: Language support for flexible handling of system-detected errors.
Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 09:58:28 +0200
Date: 2002-04-04T09:58:28+02:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <a8h129$cr6$02$1@news.t-online.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: a8f3tr$hu1$1@nh.pace.co.uk
Marin David Condic wrote:
> No need to get insulting. Just consider this point: MSVC++ has
> considerably more features and integration than just about anything I've
> seen that comes out of a box for Ada. While you can get many of the same
> capabilities out of a polyglot of tools that you have to pull together
> from a variety of sources, there isn't something of similar capability for
> Ada. You may not like the way MSVC++ does a variety of things and you may
> have preferences for other toolsets (of which I'm always happy to hear)
> but I don't think that changes the fact that MSVC++ provides navigation,
> GUI building, class libraries, debugging, building, etc., all together in
> one convenient package and I don't see a similar shrink-wrap kit available
> for Ada. If Ada got *at least* as far as MSVC++ it would have achieved
> something pretty cool.
The question is: Do you want to write comfortable software or do you want
to write software comfortably?
Of course, MSVC++ is a comfortable environment for writing C++
applications. But are the applications you write comfortable for your
customer?
I think it is better to write reliable software with Ada and "simple" tools
like Xemacs editor and some Ada library than to use a pretty development
environment which produces results of questionable quality.
I have developed for many years in many programming languages, but Ada is
the first language which helped me to a) reduce my programming time (about
half compared to C++) and b) to produce really realiable code. I don't like
to use a compiler which I don't know to be error free or not. A computer
science professor told me, that there is _no_ 100% error free C++ compiler
in the world!
Besides: I use Xemacs with Ada mode. I have tried several Ada editors but
nothing is more comfortable than Xemacs. Xemacs is a bit hard to learn but
when you've got it you won't miss it.
> Metrowerks and Code Warrior might make interesting models for deriving a
> set of requirements for an Ada IDE. I'd have to look at them in more
> detail to see what they do that would be A Good Thing. The idea should be
> to identify a set of capabilities & features that folks tend to find
> useful in other IDEs and adapt that to an Ada environment. It never hurts
> to add new capabilities and features along the way so that an Ada IDE
> would have *more* to offer than the other available tools.
IMHO Anjuta is a good starting point for a very pretty Ada IDE.
http://anjuta.sourceforge.net. SciTE (http://www.scintilla.org/) is
interesting, too.
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2002-03-24 0:16 ` Language support for flexible handling of system-detected errors Adam Tissa
2002-03-24 0:46 ` Jim Rogers
2002-03-24 6:45 ` Tissa Adam
2002-03-24 19:58 ` Rodrigo Cunha
2002-03-25 10:17 ` Tim Shoppa
2002-03-26 23:29 ` Kent Paul Dolan
2002-03-24 11:38 ` Simon Wright
2002-03-24 12:42 ` Marc A. Criley
2002-03-24 14:56 ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-03-24 18:59 ` Steve Doiel
2002-03-26 22:42 ` Adam Tissa
2002-03-27 6:31 ` Simon Wright
2002-03-26 22:42 ` Cost of Ada support Adam Tissa
2002-03-26 23:06 ` Mark Johnson
2002-03-27 0:17 ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-27 22:14 ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-28 15:30 ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-29 3:29 ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-29 14:39 ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-27 12:13 ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-03-27 9:23 ` Pascal Obry
2002-03-24 13:28 ` Language support for flexible handling of system-detected errors chris.danx
2002-03-25 12:32 ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-03-24 14:52 ` Paul Repacholi
2002-03-24 22:35 ` Greg Bek
2002-03-26 6:48 ` Richard Riehle
2002-03-25 10:42 ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2002-03-26 16:27 ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-28 3:10 ` Maynard Handley
2002-03-28 5:17 ` Andrew W. Reynolds
2002-03-28 15:03 ` Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com>
2002-03-28 15:54 ` Nick Maclaren
2002-03-28 16:19 ` hack
2002-03-28 17:22 ` Nick Maclaren
2002-03-28 18:49 ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-29 10:04 ` Nick Maclaren
2002-03-29 14:20 ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-29 15:09 ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-01 14:28 ` Wes Groleau
2002-04-01 16:29 ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-02 18:21 ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-28 15:36 ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-29 14:49 ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-03-29 16:56 ` hack
2002-03-29 17:14 ` Preben Randhol
2002-03-29 18:37 ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-01 15:53 ` hack
2002-04-01 16:47 ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-02 17:15 ` hack
2002-04-04 10:34 ` pascal stenuit
2002-04-01 17:44 ` Stephen Leake
2002-04-01 18:22 ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-29 18:05 ` tmoran
2002-03-29 18:41 ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-30 13:46 ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-04-01 15:35 ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-28 15:39 ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-03-29 14:44 ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-02 1:04 ` David Hoyt
2002-04-02 21:51 ` Maynard Handley
2002-04-03 14:34 ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-04 3:34 ` Mark Bottomley
2002-04-04 14:48 ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-04 16:04 ` Wes Groleau
2002-04-04 7:07 ` Ketil Malde
2002-04-04 15:01 ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-04 16:54 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-04-04 17:56 ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-05 16:57 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-04-05 18:07 ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-10 16:29 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-04-04 7:58 ` Ingo Marks [this message]
2002-04-04 15:18 ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-08 17:17 ` Kevin Cline
2002-04-08 17:44 ` Ingo Marks
2002-04-08 18:10 ` Nick Maclaren
2002-03-28 17:01 ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-28 17:27 ` Pascal Obry
2002-03-28 18:45 ` Simon Wright
2002-03-29 0:33 ` Ned Holbrook
2002-03-29 2:19 ` Tony Finch
2002-03-29 4:15 ` Darren New
2002-03-29 14:50 ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-30 3:38 ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-04-01 14:31 ` Wes Groleau
2002-04-01 15:46 ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-02 18:28 ` Wes Groleau
2002-04-02 18:48 ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-03 7:17 ` Adam Tissa
2002-04-03 17:58 ` Darren New
2002-03-29 16:28 ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-03-29 17:08 ` hack
2002-03-29 17:38 ` Nick Maclaren
2002-03-30 15:06 ` Peter da Silva
2002-03-30 17:26 ` Erik Corry
2002-03-28 22:37 ` Randy Brukardt
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