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From: "Marin David Condic" <dont.bother.mcondic.auntie.spam@[acm.org>
Subject: Re: Language support for  flexible handling of system-detected errors.
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 11:47:32 -0500
Date: 2002-04-01T16:47:33+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a8a2v5$91j$1@nh.pace.co.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: a89vq3$haq$1@news.btv.ibm.com

I can sympathize with your desire to see some sort of common interface
between development tools. Sometimes we have it (like ASIS, elf, and other
sorts of "standards") and in other areas we don't.

I think one of the reasons that many people like the "closed" IDEs with
everything related to a particular language and compiler is just that it
comes down to "One Stop Shopping". They don't want to spend their time
creating the "perfect" development environment for their needs. They just
want to grab a shrink-wrap package, install it and have (almost) everything
they need to get their software product out the door quickly. If Micro$oft
offers them a kit that does this at a reasonable price, they go for it. Why
wouldn't they? If they could have a "better" environment by cobbling
together a polyglot of software, this might be interesting, but not
compelling. How does this get the job done faster/better/cheaper? Is more
time spent cobbling the environment together than it saves in developing the
real product?

If a software product - or set of them - wants to be successful, it/they
have to consider the business environment they're in and how best to work
with that. You can ignore "business needs" only at your own risk. :-)

MDC
--
Marin David Condic
Senior Software Engineer
Pace Micro Technology Americas    www.pacemicro.com
Enabling the digital revolution
e-Mail:    marin.condic@pacemicro.com


"hack" <hack@watson.ibm.com> wrote in message
news:a89vq3$haq$1@news.btv.ibm.com...
>
> My main point was *against* the closed nature of many IDEs, i.e. the view
> that "integration" means to have in one place (and style) everything
related
> to a particular language or compiler -- as opposed to my view of
"integration"
> as to ability to communicate equally well, in a single familiar
environment,
> with many separate working environments (compilers, e-mail, runtimes
etc.).
>






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2002-03-24  0:16         ` Language support for flexible handling of system-detected errors Adam Tissa
2002-03-24  0:46           ` Jim Rogers
2002-03-24  6:45             ` Tissa Adam
2002-03-24 19:58               ` Rodrigo Cunha
2002-03-25 10:17             ` Tim Shoppa
2002-03-26 23:29             ` Kent Paul Dolan
2002-03-24 11:38           ` Simon Wright
2002-03-24 12:42           ` Marc A. Criley
2002-03-24 14:56             ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-03-24 18:59               ` Steve Doiel
2002-03-26 22:42                 ` Adam Tissa
2002-03-27  6:31                   ` Simon Wright
2002-03-26 22:42                 ` Cost of Ada support Adam Tissa
2002-03-26 23:06                   ` Mark Johnson
2002-03-27  0:17                     ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-27 22:14                       ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-28 15:30                         ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-29  3:29                           ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-29 14:39                             ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-27 12:13                     ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-03-27  9:23                   ` Pascal Obry
2002-03-24 13:28           ` Language support for flexible handling of system-detected errors chris.danx
2002-03-25 12:32             ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-03-24 14:52           ` Paul Repacholi
2002-03-24 22:35           ` Greg Bek
2002-03-26  6:48             ` Richard Riehle
2002-03-25 10:42           ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2002-03-26 16:27           ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-28  3:10             ` Maynard Handley
2002-03-28  5:17               ` Andrew W. Reynolds
2002-03-28 15:03               ` Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com>
2002-03-28 15:54                 ` Nick Maclaren
2002-03-28 16:19                 ` hack
2002-03-28 17:22                   ` Nick Maclaren
2002-03-28 18:49                     ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-29 10:04                       ` Nick Maclaren
2002-03-29 14:20                       ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-29 15:09                         ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-01 14:28                           ` Wes Groleau
2002-04-01 16:29                             ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-02 18:21                               ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-28 15:36               ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-29 14:49                 ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-03-29 16:56                   ` hack
2002-03-29 17:14                     ` Preben Randhol
2002-03-29 18:37                     ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-01 15:53                       ` hack
2002-04-01 16:47                         ` Marin David Condic [this message]
2002-04-02 17:15                           ` hack
2002-04-04 10:34                         ` pascal stenuit
2002-04-01 17:44                       ` Stephen Leake
2002-04-01 18:22                         ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-29 18:05                 ` tmoran
2002-03-29 18:41                   ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-30 13:46                     ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-04-01 15:35                       ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-28 15:39               ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-03-29 14:44                 ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-02  1:04                   ` David Hoyt
2002-04-02 21:51                   ` Maynard Handley
2002-04-03 14:34                     ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-04  3:34                       ` Mark Bottomley
2002-04-04 14:48                         ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-04 16:04                         ` Wes Groleau
2002-04-04  7:07                       ` Ketil Malde
2002-04-04 15:01                         ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-04 16:54                         ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-04-04 17:56                           ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-05 16:57                             ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-04-05 18:07                               ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-10 16:29                                 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-04-04  7:58                       ` Ingo Marks
2002-04-04 15:18                         ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-08 17:17                           ` Kevin Cline
2002-04-08 17:44                             ` Ingo Marks
2002-04-08 18:10                             ` Nick Maclaren
2002-03-28 17:01               ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-28 17:27               ` Pascal Obry
2002-03-28 18:45                 ` Simon Wright
2002-03-29  0:33                 ` Ned Holbrook
2002-03-29  2:19                   ` Tony Finch
2002-03-29  4:15                     ` Darren New
2002-03-29 14:50                     ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-30  3:38                       ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-04-01 14:31                         ` Wes Groleau
2002-04-01 15:46                         ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-02 18:28                           ` Wes Groleau
2002-04-02 18:48                             ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-03  7:17                             ` Adam Tissa
2002-04-03 17:58                               ` Darren New
2002-03-29 16:28                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-03-29 17:08                   ` hack
2002-03-29 17:38                     ` Nick Maclaren
2002-03-30 15:06                 ` Peter da Silva
2002-03-30 17:26                   ` Erik Corry
2002-03-28 22:37               ` Randy Brukardt
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