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From: hack@watson.ibm.com (hack)
Subject: Re: Language support for  flexible handling of system-detected errors.
Date: 29 Mar 2002 16:56:38 GMT
Date: 2002-03-29T16:56:38+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a826c6$e72$1@news.btv.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: bRcjQXT6c+XG@eisner.encompasserve.org

In article <bRcjQXT6c+XG@eisner.encompasserve.org>,
Larry Kilgallen <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote:
>In article <a7vdae$mag$1@nh.pace.co.uk>, "Marin David Condic" <dont.bother.mcondic.auntie.spam@[acm.org> writes:
>> This is a fair objection and one I have leveled myself from time to time. It
>> would be really nice to have a highly integrated IDE - as well as
>> significant libraries to speed development with leverage.
>> 
>> Here's a question that might help the Ada crowd out by getting a critic's
>> perspective: If you want a spiffy IDE (and possibly libraries) what would it
>> look like? (Its fair to point to some other language IDE and say "Something
>> like that...", but it might be more helpful to describe some specific
>> features.)
>
>Think Pascal (formerly Lightspeed Pascal ?). It features (featured?)
>
>	incremental recompilation
>	debugging
>
>both right from the editor window.

If it allowed me to do this from *my* editor's window it would be just
wonderful.  All that's needed for that is a well-defined interface that
allows the compiler to read the editor's file buffer, and to report back
to the editor what areas to highlight and what messages to display.  Such
an interface can be defined generically, so whether I use emacs or some
other programmable editor wouldn't matter.

It would also mean that the compiler developer would not have to re-invent
what it takes to make a good program editor.  Not only would it be different
from other editors -- it would most likely have fewer general-purpose features
(non-trivial undo, non-trivial macro support), though it might have certain
nice language-specific features such as syntax-sensitive layout control.

Many years ago I saw a programming-language-specific editor whose internal
representation was the parse tree.  This permitted a nice integration with
language fatures, debugging and incremental recompilation.  It may have been
the one you mention (it was early 80s).  One significant problem with this
approach was that only syntactically complete program fragments could be cut
or pasted from other programs or files, so one had to have a second editor
to put the pieces together before one could import something!

A general-purpose editor has no problems with arbitrary program text updates.
The language-sensitive part of the environment, interfaced to the compiler,
could highlight complete and incomplete syntactic groupings, but would not
interfere with the incremental nature of composing a program.

Michel.





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2002-03-24  0:16         ` Language support for flexible handling of system-detected errors Adam Tissa
2002-03-24  0:46           ` Jim Rogers
2002-03-24  6:45             ` Tissa Adam
2002-03-24 19:58               ` Rodrigo Cunha
2002-03-25 10:17             ` Tim Shoppa
2002-03-26 23:29             ` Kent Paul Dolan
2002-03-24 11:38           ` Simon Wright
2002-03-24 12:42           ` Marc A. Criley
2002-03-24 14:56             ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-03-24 18:59               ` Steve Doiel
2002-03-26 22:42                 ` Adam Tissa
2002-03-27  6:31                   ` Simon Wright
2002-03-26 22:42                 ` Cost of Ada support Adam Tissa
2002-03-26 23:06                   ` Mark Johnson
2002-03-27  0:17                     ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-27 22:14                       ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-28 15:30                         ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-29  3:29                           ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-29 14:39                             ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-27 12:13                     ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-03-27  9:23                   ` Pascal Obry
2002-03-24 13:28           ` Language support for flexible handling of system-detected errors chris.danx
2002-03-25 12:32             ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-03-24 14:52           ` Paul Repacholi
2002-03-24 22:35           ` Greg Bek
2002-03-26  6:48             ` Richard Riehle
2002-03-25 10:42           ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2002-03-26 16:27           ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-28  3:10             ` Maynard Handley
2002-03-28  5:17               ` Andrew W. Reynolds
2002-03-28 15:03               ` Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com>
2002-03-28 15:54                 ` Nick Maclaren
2002-03-28 16:19                 ` hack
2002-03-28 17:22                   ` Nick Maclaren
2002-03-28 18:49                     ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-29 10:04                       ` Nick Maclaren
2002-03-29 14:20                       ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-29 15:09                         ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-01 14:28                           ` Wes Groleau
2002-04-01 16:29                             ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-02 18:21                               ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-28 15:36               ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-29 14:49                 ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-03-29 16:56                   ` hack [this message]
2002-03-29 17:14                     ` Preben Randhol
2002-03-29 18:37                     ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-01 15:53                       ` hack
2002-04-01 16:47                         ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-02 17:15                           ` hack
2002-04-04 10:34                         ` pascal stenuit
2002-04-01 17:44                       ` Stephen Leake
2002-04-01 18:22                         ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-29 18:05                 ` tmoran
2002-03-29 18:41                   ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-30 13:46                     ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-04-01 15:35                       ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-28 15:39               ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-03-29 14:44                 ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-02  1:04                   ` David Hoyt
2002-04-02 21:51                   ` Maynard Handley
2002-04-03 14:34                     ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-04  3:34                       ` Mark Bottomley
2002-04-04 14:48                         ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-04 16:04                         ` Wes Groleau
2002-04-04  7:07                       ` Ketil Malde
2002-04-04 15:01                         ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-04 16:54                         ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-04-04 17:56                           ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-05 16:57                             ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-04-05 18:07                               ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-10 16:29                                 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-04-04  7:58                       ` Ingo Marks
2002-04-04 15:18                         ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-08 17:17                           ` Kevin Cline
2002-04-08 17:44                             ` Ingo Marks
2002-04-08 18:10                             ` Nick Maclaren
2002-03-28 17:01               ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-28 17:27               ` Pascal Obry
2002-03-28 18:45                 ` Simon Wright
2002-03-29  0:33                 ` Ned Holbrook
2002-03-29  2:19                   ` Tony Finch
2002-03-29  4:15                     ` Darren New
2002-03-29 14:50                     ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-30  3:38                       ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-04-01 14:31                         ` Wes Groleau
2002-04-01 15:46                         ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-02 18:28                           ` Wes Groleau
2002-04-02 18:48                             ` Marin David Condic
2002-04-03  7:17                             ` Adam Tissa
2002-04-03 17:58                               ` Darren New
2002-03-29 16:28                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-03-29 17:08                   ` hack
2002-03-29 17:38                     ` Nick Maclaren
2002-03-30 15:06                 ` Peter da Silva
2002-03-30 17:26                   ` Erik Corry
2002-03-28 22:37               ` Randy Brukardt
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