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From: "Marin David Condic" <dont.bother.mcondic.auntie.spam@[acm.org>
Subject: Re: Ada Operating System
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 13:01:44 -0500
Date: 2002-03-26T18:01:46+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a7qd2a$b8u$1@nh.pace.co.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 3CA0A0EA.F0CEEC89@despammed.com

I know that you believe you understood what you think I said, but I'm not
sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant... :-)

What I meant was that there would be some process by which the OS could be
booted or otherwise put into a mode that said "I don't care about security -
let me have the machine" and still have some OS services available to you.
There would obviously be a need to make sure that the process by which this
was done would not be so simple as to let it happen accidentally, nor should
it be allowed without some confirmation that the person doing it was
actually allowed to do so. Hence the notion of a "Secret Handshake".

Clearly if this, as yet hypothetical OS, were to be produced and made
available in source code, someone would find any back doors & make them
known. That actually brings up another problem: Assuming you were billing
the system as "secure" by some definition, how would you be sure that any
given distribution *didn't* include a back door? That would be one heck of
an audit process, eh? :-)

MDC
--
Marin David Condic
Senior Software Engineer
Pace Micro Technology Americas    www.pacemicro.com
Enabling the digital revolution
e-Mail:    marin.condic@pacemicro.com


"Wes Groleau" <wesgroleau@despammed.com> wrote in message
news:3CA0A0EA.F0CEEC89@despammed.com...
> You probably didn't mean what it sounds like you mean,
> but I'll argue anyway.  :-)
>
> The change of modes idea is good, but it should be by
> a documented process with security controls.
>
> A "secret handshake" will not stay secret.  Even if it
> is secret, some user somewhere some day will be lucky enough
> or unlucky enough to do it by accident.
>
> Murphy has spoken!
>






  reply	other threads:[~2002-03-26 18:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 185+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-02-19 19:39 Ada Operating System Dann Corbit
2002-02-19 21:23 ` Adrian Knoth
2002-02-19 21:58 ` chris.danx
2002-02-19 22:40   ` Hugues Jerome
2002-02-20  0:38     ` Dann Corbit
2002-02-20 14:47       ` Joel Sherrill
2002-02-20 19:09         ` Hyman Rosen
2002-02-21 15:33           ` tony gair
2002-02-21 17:46             ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-02-21 17:57             ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-02-22  0:34               ` tony gair
2002-02-22  2:23                 ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-02-21 22:05             ` David Starner
2002-02-22  9:08             ` Adrian Hoe
2002-02-22 20:37               ` David Starner
2002-02-23  4:44                 ` Adrian Hoe
2002-02-23  6:10                   ` Mark Biggar
2002-02-23 18:04                   ` Richard Riehle
2002-02-23 18:07                   ` David Starner
2002-02-23 20:30                     ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-02-24  2:42                       ` David Starner
2002-02-24  4:27                       ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-02-24 17:15                         ` David Starner
2002-02-23 19:01                   ` Darren New
2002-02-25 13:51                   ` Marin David Condic
2002-02-26  0:47                     ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-03-05 14:16                       ` Marin David Condic
2002-02-25 17:56                   ` Pascal Obry
2002-02-25 20:01                   ` Randy Brukardt
2002-02-25 22:08                     ` Ted Dennison
2002-02-23 13:32                 ` Wannabe h4x0r
2002-02-23 13:53                   ` Jeffrey Creem
2002-02-25 18:00                     ` Pascal Obry
2002-02-23 14:05                   ` Samuel Tardieu
2002-02-23 14:31                   ` Florian Weimer
2002-02-23 20:09                     ` Wannabe h4x0r
2002-02-25 22:06                     ` Wes Groleau
2002-02-25  0:54                   ` Adrian Hoe
2002-02-25 12:52                   ` Ian S. Nelson
2002-02-23 16:41               ` Nick Roberts
2002-02-23 17:57               ` Richard Riehle
2002-02-23  3:11             ` Robert Dewar
2002-02-23  3:36               ` Dann Corbit
2002-02-23  4:42                 ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-02-25 14:05                   ` Marin David Condic
2002-02-26  0:48                     ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-02-23 18:12                 ` David Starner
2002-02-23 16:41           ` Nick Roberts
2002-02-20 13:48     ` Stephen Leake
2002-02-20  1:06 ` eunux
2002-02-23 16:41 ` Nick Roberts
2002-02-25 14:28   ` Marin David Condic
2002-02-27  5:23     ` James Ross
2002-03-05 14:28       ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-07  6:05         ` James Ross
2002-03-07 15:48           ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-08 16:03             ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-08 16:31               ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-09  9:46                 ` David Starner
2002-03-09 14:43                   ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-11 14:19                     ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-11 15:24                       ` Hyman Rosen
2002-03-09 15:40                 ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-09 15:52                   ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-09 17:54                 ` tmoran
2002-03-09 18:20                   ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-08 20:31               ` Dann Corbit
2002-03-09 15:42                 ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-09 16:34               ` Ian S. Nelson
2002-03-09 18:15                 ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-10  6:44                   ` Hyman Rosen
2002-03-10 14:37                     ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-03-11  5:03                       ` Hyman Rosen
2002-03-11 14:49                         ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-11 15:30                           ` Hyman Rosen
2002-03-11 17:30                             ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-11 17:45                               ` Hyman Rosen
2002-03-11 19:58                                 ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-12 17:42                         ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-03-12 20:39                           ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-10 15:03                     ` Matthew Woodcraft
2002-03-10 19:40                     ` David Starner
2002-03-11  5:06                       ` Hyman Rosen
2002-03-11 15:11                         ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-18 16:18                           ` Tucker Taft
2002-03-18 17:24                             ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-25 17:25                             ` Darren New
2002-03-25 19:36                               ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-26  6:34                               ` James Ross
2002-03-26 13:56                                 ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-26 17:55                                 ` Darren New
2002-03-11 14:47                     ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-11 15:16                       ` Hyman Rosen
2002-03-11 16:04                         ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-12 17:45                           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-03-11 14:57                     ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-11 14:39                 ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-13  1:03               ` Pam Kelly
2002-03-13  1:45                 ` Gary Scott
2002-03-13  7:27                   ` David Starner
2002-03-13 14:02                     ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-13 22:42                     ` Pam Kelly
2002-03-13 23:28                       ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-03-27  0:51                         ` Brian Catlin
2002-03-13 23:51                       ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-14 15:54                     ` Alfred Hilscher
2002-03-13 13:54                   ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-14 13:17                     ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-03-14 17:32                       ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-13 13:49                 ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-14  2:09                   ` Pam Kelly
2002-03-14 16:01                   ` Alfred Hilscher
2002-03-14 17:43                     ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-16  9:06                       ` DPH
2002-03-16  8:00                   ` James Ross
2002-03-16 16:52                     ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-17  3:40                       ` Rod Haper
2002-03-16 20:07                     ` Robert A Duff
2002-03-17 11:23                       ` Preben Randhol
2002-03-17 21:36                       ` James Ross
2002-03-17 22:12                         ` Darren New
2002-03-18  1:25                           ` James Ross
2002-03-18  3:26                             ` Darren New
2002-03-18  5:06                               ` James Ross
2002-03-18  5:12                                 ` Darren New
2002-03-18  7:14                                   ` James Ross
2002-03-20 10:03                               ` Mats Karlssohn
2002-03-19  6:20                             ` David Starner
2002-03-23  6:06                               ` James Ross
2002-03-23 12:34                                 ` Preben Randhol
2002-03-23 21:44                                   ` David Starner
2002-03-24  3:47                                 ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-03-25 19:00                                   ` Preben Randhol
2002-03-25 19:27                                 ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-26 16:25                                   ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-26 18:01                                     ` Marin David Condic [this message]
2002-03-27 13:32                                       ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-27 14:22                                         ` sk
2002-03-27 16:39                                           ` Darren New
2002-03-27 17:07                                             ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-28  4:40                                               ` tmoran
2002-03-28 14:43                                                 ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-28  5:25                                               ` sk
2002-03-28  4:34                                       ` James Ross
2002-03-28 14:37                                         ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-29 17:52                                           ` Darren New
2002-03-26 20:23                                 ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-03-28 13:25                                 ` Larry Kilgallen
     [not found]                                 ` <a7ntns$7hh$Organization: LJK Software <vEY3SfNlq6Uc@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2002-03-28 14:58                                   ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-29 11:29                                 ` Larry Kilgallen
     [not found]                                 ` <a7ntns$7hh$Organization: LJK Software <Aj0bpsr17AIQ@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2002-03-29 14:02                                   ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-27 20:22                               ` John R. Strohm
2002-03-19  6:22                       ` David Starner
2002-03-13 14:08                 ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-13 22:02                   ` Pam Kelly
2002-03-13 22:19                     ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-03-13 23:26                       ` Pam Kelly
2002-03-14  0:49                         ` Adrian Knoth
2002-03-14 13:14                         ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-03-14 17:49                           ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-15 16:41                             ` Aidan Skinner
2002-03-15 19:26                             ` Mark Biggar
2002-03-15 20:14                               ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-15  8:03                   ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2002-03-12  2:23             ` James Ross
2002-03-12 15:28               ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-13  5:52                 ` James Ross
2002-02-27 11:30 ` Jorge Real
2002-02-28  5:34   ` tmoran
2002-02-28  8:56     ` chris.danx
2002-02-28 14:23       ` Wes Groleau
2002-02-28 13:19     ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-02-28 14:19     ` Wes Groleau
2002-02-28 15:24       ` chris.danx
2002-02-28 15:34         ` Ian Wild
2002-02-28 16:23           ` chris.danx
2002-02-28 17:52             ` Dave Poirier
2002-02-28 17:57               ` Dave Poirier
2002-03-02  4:01               ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-02-28 18:32         ` Tom Moran
2002-02-28 17:47     ` Dave Poirier
2002-02-27 21:50 ` Ken Pinard
2002-02-28  2:38   ` Dave Poirier
2002-02-28 13:49   ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-11 11:56 ` Simon Wright
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