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From: "Chad R. Meiners" <crmeiners@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Future with Ada
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 14:28:36 -0500
Date: 2002-03-04T14:28:36-05:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a60h46$1tqt$1@msunews.cl.msu.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 3C83A112.6080302@mail.com

The problem is you are addressing each symbol independently from the
language as a whole.  For example, which of the following looks more
incorrect (barring some syntax adjustments).

if (x == y) {
   cout << "We can use either.";
   z = 2 * x; }

-or-

if (x ==y ) begin
   cout << "We can use either.";
   z = 2 * x; end

The second looks much worse than the first, and note that neither is
accomplishing its objective of highlighting the if's block.  In the first
example, though, the {}'s almost disappear while the begin and end's scream
that they are being misused.

I wasn't trying to claim that every feature of a curly braced language needs
an introduction and explanation.  I was stating that 'concise' statements
such as

x = z << w = t ? x : y;

need an introduction and an explanation.  Thus, the curly braced languages'
'conciseness' which is so often a flagship of their religious propaganda of
superiority appears to be a liability instead of an asset.

I don't think either of us really wants to start a religious discussion on
either of the types of languages, but I do think the differences and goals
of the two languages can be compared reasonably.

-CRM

"Hyman Rosen" <hyrosen@mail.com> wrote in message
news:3C83A112.6080302@mail.com...
> Chad R. Meiners wrote:
> > The problem is that they do not make good teaching material without the
> > accompaniment of an introduction and explanation.
>
> I find it difficult to believe that { } needs an introduction and
> explanation that begin/end or if/end do not. On the other hand,
> braces are light and airy and nicely set off and separate pieces
> of program text which are more wordy, guiding the eye towards seeing
> the structure of the code.
>
> It's a religious issue, and a matter of taste. How many times, after
> all, has this topic been discussed in the past?
>





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Thread overview: 264+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-11-09 17:59 Future with Ada Michal Nowak
2001-11-10  0:44 ` Adrian Hoe
2001-11-10 13:28 ` Frode Tennebø
2001-11-10 23:09   ` Michal Nowak
2001-11-11 15:10     ` Preben Randhol
2001-11-11 22:31       ` Michal Nowak
2001-11-10 17:31 ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-10 23:09   ` Michal Nowak
2001-11-25  9:50   ` ben
2001-11-26 15:21     ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-26 19:48       ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-11-26 20:59         ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-26 23:33           ` Jerry Petrey
2001-11-27 14:24             ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-26 22:56         ` Ted Dennison
2001-12-01 18:43     ` Richard Riehle
2001-12-01 21:29       ` Suzie Cube
2001-12-10 16:25         ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-10 17:03           ` Larry Hazel
2001-12-10 17:19             ` Ted Dennison
2001-12-10 17:34               ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-10 18:10                 ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-12-10 18:25                   ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-02  0:19       ` IsraelRT
2001-12-02  0:46       ` Brian Rogoff
2001-12-02 19:58         ` Richard Riehle
2001-12-03 17:25           ` Wes Groleau
2001-12-10 16:39             ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-10 20:30               ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-12-11 15:15                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-11 16:56                   ` Darren New
2001-12-11 17:14                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-12  1:47                       ` Richard Riehle
2001-12-12  2:47                         ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-12-12  6:38                           ` Mark Biggar
2001-12-12 10:53                             ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-12-12 14:35                               ` Ted Dennison
2001-12-12 17:45                                 ` Peter Hend�n
2001-12-12 19:35                                 ` Mark Lundquist
2001-12-12 20:55                                   ` Ted Dennison
2001-12-16 13:34                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-12-12 14:55                         ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-12 18:02                           ` tmoran
2001-12-22 19:58                           ` Gerhard Häring
2001-12-28 21:12                             ` Containers package Eric Merritt
2001-12-29 14:11                               ` Michael Erdmann
2001-12-29 23:03                                 ` Eric Merritt
2001-12-31  2:58                                   ` Nick Roberts
2001-12-31 15:09                                     ` Eric Merritt
2001-12-31 23:19                                       ` Containers package (Tenet) Nick Roberts
2002-01-01  5:45                                     ` Containers package Ted Dennison
2002-01-01 23:30                                       ` Nick Roberts
2002-01-02  0:26                                         ` Ted Dennison
2001-12-29 22:13                               ` Marc A. Criley
2001-12-12 21:49                       ` Future with Ada Darren New
2001-12-14 20:22                         ` Mark Lundquist
2001-12-11 20:36                     ` XML and Ada was " Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-12-12  8:33                   ` rob
2001-12-12 15:03                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-16 13:48                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-12-16 16:17                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-12-16 16:21                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-12-17 15:10                         ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-17 22:32                           ` Ian S. Nelson
2001-12-17 23:11                             ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-18 15:49                             ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-12-18 16:41                               ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-19 16:33                                 ` Mr. Caffiene
2001-12-19 17:57                                   ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-19 21:07                                     ` Ian S. Nelson
2001-12-19 21:20                                       ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-19 18:36                                   ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-12-19 19:49                                     ` tmoran
2001-12-19 20:16                                       ` Eric Merritt
2001-12-19 21:11                                         ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-21 14:15                                           ` Eric Merritt
2001-12-20 19:50                                       ` Ted Dennison
2001-12-20 21:37                                         ` Hyman Rosen
2001-12-21 15:42                                           ` Ted Dennison
2001-12-19 20:37                                     ` Ian S. Nelson
2001-12-19 23:36                                   ` Michal Nowak
2001-12-19 23:36                                 ` Michal Nowak
2002-01-21 22:28                                   ` Harri J Haataja
2001-12-18 12:56                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-12-12 17:03                     ` Ian S. Nelson
2001-12-13 17:43                     ` Mark Lundquist
2001-12-13 20:13                       ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-14 19:49                         ` Mark Lundquist
2001-12-14 19:59                           ` Pat Rogers
2001-12-14 21:00                             ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-14 23:02                               ` Pat Rogers
2001-12-17  8:15                                 ` Mark Lundquist
2001-12-17 15:27                                   ` Pat Rogers
2001-12-17 16:29                                     ` Brian Rogoff
2001-12-17 17:05                                       ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-17 15:43                                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-17  8:15                               ` Mark Lundquist
2001-12-17 16:03                                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-17  8:15                             ` Mark Lundquist
2001-12-14 20:31                           ` James Rogers
2001-12-15  1:33                             ` Richard Riehle
2001-12-15 16:35                               ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-12-16 14:09                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-12-16 15:32                                 ` Eric Merritt
2001-12-17 16:31                               ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-15  2:44                             ` Eric Merritt
2001-12-14 20:39                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-18 23:01                             ` Mark Lundquist
2001-12-19 15:00                               ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-20  7:23                                 ` tmoran
2001-12-20 22:30                                 ` tmoran
2001-12-20 22:43                                   ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-19 20:50                               ` Wes Groleau
2001-12-19  0:12                             ` Portable GUI (was Re: Future with Ada) Mark Lundquist
2001-12-19  7:36                               ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-12-20  5:00                                 ` Steve Doiel
2001-12-20  6:19                                   ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-12-20 14:33                                   ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-20 20:53                                 ` Ted Dennison
2001-12-20 21:14                                   ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-21 14:53                                     ` Ted Dennison
2001-12-21 15:08                                       ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-21 16:40                                         ` Ted Dennison
2001-12-21 16:26                                   ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-12-19 15:07                               ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-19 15:14                               ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-19 16:53                               ` Darren New
2001-12-19 17:50                                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-20 19:37                                   ` Richard Riehle
2001-12-20 20:05                                     ` Ted Dennison
2001-12-20 20:07                                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-20 20:28                                     ` Stephen Leake
2001-12-21 17:18                                       ` Richard Riehle
2001-12-22 18:16                                     ` Michal Nowak
2001-12-02 20:26         ` Future with Ada Michal Nowak
2001-12-02 19:55       ` Michal Nowak
2001-12-03 14:53         ` Ted Dennison
2001-12-07 16:54         ` Richard Riehle
2001-12-07 17:14           ` Ted Dennison
2001-12-09 10:56           ` Thomas Mueller
2001-12-09 13:57             ` David C. Hoos, Sr.
2001-12-11 17:45           ` Michal Nowak
2001-12-03 14:52       ` Ted Dennison
2001-12-12 21:56       ` John Kern
2002-02-26  2:22       ` Michael Card
2002-02-26  4:12         ` Jim Rogers
2002-02-27  1:23           ` Adrian Hoe
2002-02-27 17:51           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-02-28 17:00             ` Richard Riehle
2002-02-28 21:24               ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-02-28 17:45             ` Michal Nowak
2002-02-28 18:53               ` Hyman Rosen
2002-02-28 19:24                 ` Ed Falis
2002-03-01  0:52                   ` Adrian Hoe
2002-03-01 18:11                     ` Pascal Obry
2002-03-02  1:20                       ` Adrian Hoe
2002-02-28 21:43                 ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-01  5:18                 ` Richard Riehle
2002-03-01  5:23                   ` Dave Poirier
2002-03-01 16:45                   ` Michal Nowak
2002-03-01 11:10                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-03-03  8:28                   ` Hyman Rosen
2002-03-05 18:40                   ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2002-03-01 16:48                 ` Michal Nowak
2002-03-01 17:26                 ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-03-03  8:26                   ` Hyman Rosen
2002-03-03 13:28                     ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-03-03 17:47                     ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-03-04 16:30                       ` Hyman Rosen
2002-03-04 19:28                         ` Chad R. Meiners [this message]
2002-03-05 17:03                           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-03-05  1:41                         ` Richard Riehle
2002-03-05 21:35                           ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-05 22:04                             ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-06  8:33                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-03-06 11:46                               ` Frank J. Lhota
2002-03-06 15:03                                 ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-07 16:08                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-03-07 16:25                                     ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-09 14:51                                   ` Gary Scott
2002-03-09 15:13                                     ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-09 15:54                                     ` named control statements (was: Future with Ada) Wes Groleau
2002-03-09 16:40                                       ` Gary Scott
2002-03-09 20:53                                       ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-03-06 16:36                               ` Future with Ada Georg Bauhaus
2002-03-06 17:27                                 ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-07 16:04                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-03-07 16:42                                     ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-11 13:52                                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-03-11 20:02                                       ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-11 23:56                                         ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-12 16:47                                           ` code partitioning (was: Future with Ada) Wes Groleau
2002-03-12 17:56                                             ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-13 13:42                                               ` labeling (was: partitioning (was: Future)) Wes Groleau
2002-03-14 12:46                                                 ` Michal Nowak
2002-03-14 17:27                                                   ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-14 20:27                                                     ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-15  8:00                                                 ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2002-03-15 15:10                                                   ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-14 15:27                                               ` code partitioning (was: Future with Ada) John R. Strohm
2002-03-15 14:15                                                 ` Ted Dennison
2002-03-16 10:37                                                   ` Kevin Cline
2002-03-13 12:26                                           ` Future with Ada John English
2002-03-13 14:15                                             ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-14  3:34                                               ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-14 15:36                                                 ` John R. Strohm
2002-03-14 17:43                                                   ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-14 11:59                                               ` John English
2002-03-13 15:16                                           ` Kevin Cline
2002-03-13 17:55                                             ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-14 15:21                                           ` John R. Strohm
2002-03-07 20:52                                   ` Kevin Cline
2002-03-07 22:12                                     ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-03-11 18:43                                       ` Kevin Cline
2002-03-11 22:53                                         ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-03-06 17:07                               ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-05  3:45                         ` Brian Rogoff
2002-03-04  1:45                     ` Eric Merritt
2002-03-04  6:03                       ` Hyman Rosen
2002-03-04 13:44                         ` Eric Merritt
2002-03-04 16:01                           ` Hyman Rosen
2002-03-04 18:14                             ` Eric Merritt
2002-03-04 16:46                           ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2002-03-04 17:08                             ` Hyman Rosen
2002-03-04 18:15                             ` Eric Merritt
2002-03-05 16:54                             ` Pascal Obry
2002-03-05 17:26                               ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2002-03-04 20:06                     ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-02-27  1:30         ` Adrian Hoe
2002-02-27 20:09         ` Ken Pinard
2002-03-09 20:19         ` Richard Riehle
2001-11-11 20:13 ` Ehud Lamm
2001-11-11 22:32   ` Michal Nowak
2001-11-13 21:43     ` Maciej Sobczak
2001-11-14 16:26       ` Don
2001-11-14 19:32       ` Mark Lundquist
2001-11-14 19:46         ` David C. Hoos
2001-11-15  0:02           ` Mark Lundquist
2001-11-24 23:21           ` Florian Weimer
2001-11-14 21:22         ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-14 21:50       ` Michal Nowak
2001-11-15  7:39         ` Preben Randhol
2001-11-15 14:59           ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-15 15:44             ` Preben Randhol
2001-11-15 16:00         ` John English
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-03-06  6:05 Christoph Grein
2002-03-06  9:24 ` Pascal Obry
2002-03-06 16:43   ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-03-06 15:05 ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-07 13:51   ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-06  7:14 Christoph Grein
2002-03-06  8:43 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-03-07  7:49 Christoph Grein
2002-03-07 14:06 ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-08  7:24 Christoph Grein
2002-03-08 13:58 ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-03-08 16:08 ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-11 12:39   ` John English
2002-03-08 16:34 ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-03-08 19:41   ` Wes Groleau
2002-03-09  1:21     ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-03-11  5:37 Christoph Grein
2002-03-11 13:28 ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-03-11 12:56 Christoph Grein
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