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From: xanthian@well.com (Kent Paul Dolan)
Subject: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died (was): 64 bit addressing and OOP
Date: 26 Feb 2003 14:48:54 -0800
Date: 2003-02-26T22:48:55+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a3eaa964.0302261448.6f38de58@posting.google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 3E5CF5C6.84822F57@adaworks.com

Richard Riehle <richard@adaworks.com> wrote:

> The Ada mandate was poorly managed by the DoD.

Talk about praising with faint damnation.  They couldn't
have done worse by avowedly working against adoption of Ada.

Creating an unenforced underfunded mandate only accomplished
sowing confusion and a burning desire to find a way around
the rules, which all services but the USMC then took up as
the latest "fun frustrating feeble feckless DoD management
by paid professional footdragging" game.  Which DoD lost to
its component parts.

> The language is structured around a few simple principles.

Which seem to be "simple" only in the minds of computer
language theorists, not in the minds of us mere programmers,
to whom the reasons for which these principles are
meritorious and why they should govern our lives are still
quite convincingly opaque.

> Some of those principles are more rigorously defined in
> Ada than in other languages.

If only the same rigor had been applied to furnishing
_readable explanations_ of these principles, in
self-contained, self-standing "why, not merely what" style,
in words clear enough to have been penned by Hemmingway, the
pain and suffering of programmers new to Ada might be much
diminished.

> One principle, separation of scope from visibility, is so
> different that even Ada programmers have difficulty with
> it at first.

Last time I checked by comp.lang.ada [which the mannerless
arrogance of certain posters there toward newbies finally
made unstomachable], this issue still seemed to consume the
bulk of the newsgroup.  Are the questions now settled, and
is there somewhere available an online tutorial explaining
the issues clearly enough for a sixth grader to read and
use?

> Once they stop fighting it and understand it, the rest of
> the language falls into place.

Much like certain editors better not brought up again, or
lots of other software cobbling tools, for that matter.

xanthian.



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2003-02-26 22:22                     ` Ada versus language-X and "getting real work done" (was): 64 bit addressing and OOP Kent Paul Dolan
2003-02-26 22:50                       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-02-27  7:09                         ` Kent Paul Dolan
2003-02-27 15:32                           ` Hyman Rosen
2003-02-28  0:05                             ` Kent Paul Dolan
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2003-02-27  3:35                           ` Steve
2003-02-27  7:17                             ` Kent Paul Dolan
2003-02-27  4:38                           ` Hyman Rosen
2003-02-27  6:47                             ` Karel Miklav
2003-04-16 20:33                             ` Tom Welsh
2003-04-23 17:56                               ` Tor Iver Wilhelmsen
2003-02-27 22:06                           ` Dr Chaos
2003-02-27 23:49                             ` JXStern
2003-02-28  0:45                               ` Dr Chaos
2003-02-28  1:08                                 ` JXStern
2003-03-07 16:14                           ` Grant Wagner
2003-04-16 20:36                             ` Tom Welsh
2003-03-07 18:59                           ` John R. Strohm
2003-03-10 15:22                             ` soft-eng
2003-03-10 18:13                               ` John R. Strohm
2003-02-27 12:35                       ` Marin David Condic
2003-02-27 23:57                         ` Kent Paul Dolan
2003-02-28 11:52                           ` Marin David Condic
2003-02-28  0:13                         ` Karen
2003-02-27 14:30                       ` Colin Paul Gloster
2003-02-27 15:26                       ` soft-eng
2003-02-27 20:27                         ` Mark Thornton
2003-02-27 23:52                         ` Kent Paul Dolan
2003-02-28 14:15                           ` soft-eng
2003-03-01 22:08                             ` AG
     [not found]                               ` <gf906vsc9rt677tusubo3btsjmn1ev1sgm@4ax.com>
2003-03-02 20:55                                 ` AG
2003-03-02 23:38                               ` soft-eng
2003-03-03 12:33                                 ` Lloyd Bonafide
2003-03-03 13:58                             ` soft-eng
2003-02-27 20:18                       ` Mark Thornton
2003-02-27 18:13                         ` CJT
2003-02-26 22:48                     ` Kent Paul Dolan [this message]
2003-02-27  0:38                       ` the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died " Robert C. Leif
2003-02-27 12:28                         ` Preben Randhol
2003-02-28  3:51                           ` the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died Richard Riehle
2003-02-28 12:24                             ` Marin David Condic
2003-02-28 12:48                               ` Marin David Condic
2003-03-01  1:42                                 ` Robert C. Leif
2003-03-01  2:56                                 ` Richard Riehle
2003-03-01 13:13                                   ` Marin David Condic
2003-03-02  0:39                                     ` Robert C. Leif
2003-03-02 16:27                                     ` John R. Strohm
2003-03-02 20:03                                       ` Robert A Duff
2003-03-03  1:21                                         ` Hide or reveal ? (Re: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died) Faust
2003-03-03  8:05                                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-03  9:04                                             ` Faust
2003-03-03 18:04                                       ` the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died Marin David Condic
2003-04-16 20:48                       ` the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died (was): 64 bit addressing and OOP Tom Welsh
2003-04-17  6:16                         ` Kent Paul Dolan
2003-04-17 11:15                           ` Tom Welsh
2003-04-18 18:55                           ` Richard Riehle
2003-04-22 19:26                             ` soft-eng
2003-04-22 22:40                               ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-04-22 23:23                                 ` Wesley Groleau
2003-04-22 23:30                                 ` Robert A Duff
2003-04-23  1:05                                   ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-04-27 16:11                                     ` Robert A Duff
2003-04-28  9:31                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-04-28 23:17                                         ` Robert A Duff
2003-04-29  7:53                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-04-28 18:16                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2003-04-23  1:41                                   ` Dr Chaos
2003-04-27 16:21                                     ` Robert A Duff
2003-04-23  5:14                                   ` Wesley Groleau
2003-04-27 16:22                                     ` Robert A Duff
2003-04-27 21:34                                       ` Wesley Groleau
2003-04-28  9:33                                       ` AG
2003-04-23 23:06                                   ` Kent Paul Dolan
2003-04-24  0:43                                     ` Dr Chaos
2003-04-27 16:29                                     ` Robert A Duff
2003-04-23 12:39                                 ` soft-eng
2003-04-23 13:50                                   ` Stephen Leake
2003-04-23 16:55                                     ` soft-eng
2003-04-23 17:10                                   ` P S Norby
2003-04-23 17:57                                   ` Bill Findlay
2003-04-23 18:38                                   ` Dr Chaos
2003-04-24 13:03                                     ` soft-eng
2003-04-24 14:12                                       ` Wesley Groleau
2003-04-24 20:27                                         ` Kent Paul Dolan
2003-04-24 17:53                                       ` Mike Silva
2003-04-25 12:48                                         ` soft-eng
2003-04-26  5:16                                           ` Mike Silva
2003-04-26 14:49                                             ` soft-eng
2003-04-26 21:34                                               ` AG
2003-04-26 23:06                                                 ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-01  9:33                                                   ` Tom Welsh
2003-04-27  2:03                                                 ` Mike Silva
2003-04-27  5:36                                                   ` AG
2003-04-27 20:35                                                     ` Eric G. Miller
2003-04-27 21:40                                                     ` Wesley Groleau
2003-04-28 21:42                                                       ` The Ghost In The Machine
2003-04-29  3:44                                                         ` Wesley Groleau
2003-04-28 17:42                                                     ` Mike Silva
2003-04-27  2:00                                               ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-04-27  2:27                                                 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-04-27  6:24                                               ` Kent Paul Dolan
2003-04-28 12:51                                                 ` soft-eng
2003-04-28 20:25                                                   ` Kent Paul Dolan
2003-04-30 14:48                                                     ` soft-eng
2003-04-30 19:30                                                       ` Rod Davison
2003-04-24 22:09                                       ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-04-25 17:37                                         ` soft-eng
2003-04-25 18:48                                           ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-04-26  2:27                                             ` AG
2003-04-26 14:54                                             ` soft-eng
2003-04-26  1:15                                           ` the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died (was): 64 bit addressing a Dave Harris
2003-04-27 20:12                                             ` Hyman Rosen
2003-04-24 23:25                                       ` the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died (was): 64 bit addressing and OOP Richard Riehle
2003-04-25 17:28                                         ` soft-eng
2003-04-25  1:51                                       ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-04-26 15:17                                         ` soft-eng
2003-04-25  6:44                                       ` Tom Welsh
2003-04-25  6:58                                         ` AG
2003-04-25 12:43                                           ` soft-eng
2003-04-25 18:04                                             ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-04-26  3:38                                               ` Wesley Groleau
2003-04-26  3:52                                                 ` AG
2003-04-26 12:00                                                 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-04-25 12:37                                         ` soft-eng
2003-04-25 18:23                                           ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-04-26  1:32                                           ` Richard Riehle
2003-04-26 14:59                                             ` soft-eng
2003-04-30  2:26                                               ` Richard Riehle
2003-04-30 12:12                                                 ` soft-eng
2003-04-30 14:21                                                   ` John R. Strohm
2003-05-01 14:45                                                     ` soft-eng
2003-05-02  1:12                                                       ` Richard Riehle
2003-05-02 13:20                                                         ` soft-eng
2003-05-02 14:45                                                           ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-05-02 14:58                                                           ` Martin Dowie
2003-05-02 17:10                                                           ` Richard Riehle
2003-05-02 15:20                                                         ` Kevin Cline
2003-05-02 15:42                                                           ` Graham Perkins
2003-05-03  4:24                                                             ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-04 18:20                                                               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-06 11:57                                                               ` The Ghost In The Machine
2003-05-07  1:28                                                                 ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-08 12:41                                                                   ` The Ghost In The Machine
2003-05-08 15:21                                                                     ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-05-10 23:23                                                                       ` The Ghost In The Machine
2003-05-08 21:57                                                             ` Kevin Cline
2003-05-09  6:32                                                               ` apm
2003-04-28  9:05                                             ` Peter Hermann
2003-04-23 13:08                                 ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-04-23  5:57                               ` Richard Riehle
2003-04-23 10:51                                 ` Volkert
2003-04-23 12:24                                 ` soft-eng
2003-04-23 16:31                                   ` Marc A. Criley
2003-04-23 17:18                                   ` tmoran
2003-04-24 12:46                                     ` soft-eng
2003-04-24 13:04                                       ` Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died) Jacob Sparre Andersen
2003-04-24 17:50                                         ` soft-eng
2003-04-24 18:37                                           ` tmoran
2003-04-24 19:11                                           ` Robert Spooner
2003-04-25 13:01                                             ` soft-eng
2003-04-25 14:02                                               ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-04-24 20:10                                           ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-04-25 17:22                                             ` soft-eng
2003-04-25 18:24                                               ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-04-24 23:23                                           ` Using Ada for device drivers? Vinzent Hoefler
2003-04-24 23:30                                           ` Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died) Kaz Kylheku
2003-04-25 14:11                                             ` Using Ada for device drivers? Georg Bauhaus
2003-04-26 23:23                                               ` Kent Paul Dolan
2003-04-27  1:53                                             ` Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died) Frank J. Lhota
2003-04-25  7:46                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-04-30  3:09                                           ` Will
2003-04-30  6:13                                             ` John R. Strohm
2003-04-30 12:31                                               ` Will
2003-04-30 17:17                                                 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-05-01  3:37                                                   ` Will
2003-05-01  3:56                                                     ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-05-01 12:21                                                     ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-01 15:16                                                       ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-02  4:15                                                       ` Will
2003-05-02 13:57                                                         ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-05-02 16:15                                                           ` Mark
2003-05-03  3:13                                                           ` Will
2003-05-03  4:24                                                             ` Chad R. Meiners
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2003-05-01 15:53                                                   ` Robert A Duff
2003-05-02  1:17                                                 ` Richard Riehle
2003-04-30 16:35                                               ` Kaz Kylheku
2003-04-30 17:22                                                 ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-05-01 19:03                                                   ` Kaz Kylheku
2003-05-02  8:26                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-05-02 18:43                                                     ` Using Ada for device drivers? Georg Bauhaus
2003-04-30 20:15                                                 ` Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died) John R. Strohm
2003-05-01 14:21                                                   ` soft-eng
2003-05-01 15:22                                                     ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-01 15:56                                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-02  3:15                                                         ` James S. Rogers
2003-05-02  3:24                                                         ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-11 18:52                                                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-05-11 20:11                                                             ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-11 21:09                                                               ` John R. Strohm
2003-05-11 23:43                                                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-11 23:54                                                                   ` Bill Findlay
2003-05-12 17:23                                                                   ` Mike Silva
2003-05-12 18:20                                                                     ` Stephen Leake
2003-05-13 11:42                                                                     ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-15 18:18                                                                       ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-05-12 18:28                                                                   ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-05-11 21:57                                                               ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-05-12  0:06                                                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-12  1:04                                                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-05-12  3:53                                                                   ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-11 23:33                                                               ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-11 23:51                                                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-12  8:40                                                                   ` Preben Randhol
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2003-05-12  5:04                                                                   ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-12 14:03                                                                     ` OT: Card Shuffling Frank J. Lhota
2003-05-11 23:50                                                               ` Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died) Bill Findlay
2003-05-12  8:18                                                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-11 21:07                                                             ` John R. Strohm
2003-05-12  0:49                                                               ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-05-12 18:23                                                                 ` Stephen Leake
2003-05-14  5:00                                                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-05-13  2:19                                                                 ` John R. Strohm
2003-05-13  3:21                                                             ` Dr Chaos
2003-05-01 18:35                                                     ` Marc A. Criley
2003-05-01 20:49                                                       ` Robert A Duff
2003-05-02  1:27                                                       ` soft-eng
2003-05-02  3:05                                                         ` John R. Strohm
2003-05-02 13:07                                                           ` soft-eng
2003-05-02 13:14                                                             ` Martin Dowie
2003-05-02 14:23                                                             ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-05-02 17:27                                                             ` Richard Riehle
2003-05-02 21:20                                                             ` Tom Welsh
2003-05-04 13:09                                                               ` Bill Findlay
2003-05-03  4:09                                                             ` Dr Chaos
2003-05-02  3:30                                                         ` James S. Rogers
2003-05-02 13:16                                                           ` soft-eng
2003-05-02 14:28                                                             ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-05-02 17:35                                                             ` Richard Riehle
2003-05-02 21:23                                                             ` Tom Welsh
2003-05-02 22:18                                                             ` Jim Rogers
2003-05-03  4:07                                                               ` Dr Chaos
2003-05-06 13:21                                                               ` soft-eng
2003-05-06 19:03                                                                 ` Jim Rogers
2003-05-07 13:04                                                                   ` soft-eng
2003-05-07 14:05                                                                     ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-07 17:29                                                                       ` soft-eng
2003-05-07 19:37                                                                         ` Mark Thornton
2003-05-08 13:48                                                                           ` soft-eng
2003-05-08 15:46                                                                             ` Thant Tessman
2003-05-09  3:37                                                                               ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-09  7:23                                                                                 ` Marshall Spight
2003-05-09 13:14                                                                                   ` soft-eng
2003-05-09 12:31                                                                                 ` soft-eng
2003-05-10  4:57                                                                                   ` Tim Ottinger
2003-05-11 19:24                                                                                     ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-05-12  9:51                                                                                     ` Leif Roar Moldskred
2003-05-09 15:09                                                                                 ` Thant Tessman
2003-05-07 22:58                                                                         ` Dr Chaos
2003-05-08 14:06                                                                           ` soft-eng
2003-05-08 17:57                                                                             ` Dr Chaos
2003-05-08 18:20                                                                             ` tmoran
2003-05-09 13:22                                                                               ` soft-eng
2003-05-11 20:12                                                                                 ` Richard Riehle
2003-05-11 20:24                                                                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-13  1:39                                                                                     ` Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and whyit " Richard Riehle
2003-05-08 23:16                                                                             ` Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it " John R. Strohm
2003-05-09 12:24                                                                               ` soft-eng
2003-05-09 16:03                                                                                 ` John R. Strohm
2003-05-09 16:28                                                                                   ` John R. Strohm
2003-05-09 23:45                                                                                     ` soft-eng
2003-05-10  2:32                                                                                       ` John R. Strohm
2003-05-10  4:24                                                                                     ` Jim Weirich
2003-05-08 12:29                                                                         ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-08 20:22                                                                           ` soft-eng
2003-05-08 21:33                                                                             ` Robert A Duff
2003-05-08 23:21                                                                             ` John R. Strohm
2003-05-09  8:30                                                                             ` Tom Welsh
2003-05-09 13:18                                                                               ` soft-eng
2003-05-09 15:01                                                                                 ` Tom Welsh
2003-05-09 23:41                                                                               ` Dr Chaos
2003-05-12 13:43                                                                                 ` soft-eng
2003-05-13  3:25                                                                                   ` Dr Chaos
2003-05-13 17:30                                                                                     ` soft-eng
2003-05-13 22:19                                                                                       ` Dr Chaos
2003-05-14 12:53                                                                                         ` soft-eng
2003-05-14 14:55                                                                                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-14 22:56                                                                                             ` Thant Tessman
2003-05-13 10:36                                                                                 ` Larry Kilgallen
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2003-05-13 20:53                                                                                   ` Simon Wright
2003-05-08 14:34                                                                         ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-08 17:58                                                                           ` Dr Chaos
2003-05-07 16:33                                                                     ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-07 18:48                                                                     ` Jim Rogers
2003-05-07 19:09                                                                     ` Gautier
2003-05-07 22:45                                                                     ` Dr Chaos
2003-05-02 12:57                                                         ` Marc A. Criley
2003-05-02 18:55                                                           ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-09 14:57                                                             ` soft-eng
2003-05-09 15:44                                                               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-10 17:17                                                                 ` soft-eng
2003-05-12  8:06                                                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-12 13:48                                                                     ` soft-eng
2003-05-12 14:33                                                                       ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-08  5:14                                                         ` Gautier
2003-05-09 14:12                                                           ` soft-eng
2003-05-09 14:33                                                             ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-05-09 14:38                                                             ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-05-09 16:09                                                             ` John R. Strohm
2003-05-09 23:49                                                               ` soft-eng
2003-05-10  2:44                                                                 ` John R. Strohm
2003-05-11 20:59                                                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-05-11 22:24                                                                     ` Shayne Wissler
2003-05-13  3:15                                                                   ` Dr Chaos
2003-05-13 14:29                                                                     ` Robert Spooner
2003-05-13 14:46                                                                       ` James S. Rogers
2003-05-10 10:49                                                                 ` Dale Stanbrough
2003-05-12  5:36                                                                   ` Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died)) Anders Wirzenius
2003-05-13  0:29                                                                     ` Willard Thompson
2003-05-13  2:16                                                                       ` John R. Strohm
2003-05-13 13:53                                                                         ` Kent Paul Dolan
2003-05-13  6:36                                                                       ` Anders Wirzenius
2003-05-13 13:43                                                                         ` soft-eng
2003-05-13 13:49                                                                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-13 14:28                                                                             ` Robert Spooner
2003-05-13 17:17                                                                               ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-05-14 14:35                                                                               ` The Ghost In The Machine
2003-05-14 12:27                                                                             ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-14 15:16                                                                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-14 16:50                                                                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-14 18:45                                                                                   ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-05-15 16:32                                                                                     ` Stephen Leake
2003-05-15 17:18                                                                                       ` Quality systems Vinzent Hoefler
2003-05-15 17:48                                                                                     ` Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died)) Jim Rogers
2003-05-16 12:53                                                                               ` soft-eng
2003-05-16 13:36                                                                                 ` Steve O'Neill
2003-05-16 13:44                                                                                 ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-17  8:34                                                                                 ` Martin Dowie
2003-05-17 16:30                                                                                   ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-17  9:10                                                                                 ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-05-17 14:45                                                                                 ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-14  7:36                                                                           ` Anders Wirzenius
2003-05-14 14:30                                                                             ` Robert Spooner
2003-05-14 17:10                                                                             ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-15 14:00                                                                             ` soft-eng
2003-05-16  6:12                                                                               ` Anders Wirzenius
2003-05-16 14:25                                                                                 ` soft-eng
2003-05-16 22:20                                                                                   ` Quality systems Georg Bauhaus
2003-05-14 13:49                                                                           ` Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died)) Marc A. Criley
2003-05-15  1:47                                                                             ` soft-eng
2003-05-15  6:43                                                                               ` tmoran
2003-05-15 14:29                                                                                 ` achrist
2003-05-15 14:34                                                                                   ` David Lightstone
2003-05-15 15:20                                                                                     ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-05-16  5:17                                                                                     ` Richard Riehle
2003-05-21 20:11                                                                                     ` Brian Gaffney
2003-05-21 21:51                                                                                       ` David Lightstone
2003-05-22  2:37                                                                                       ` achrist
2003-05-22 20:34                                                                                         ` Randy Brukardt
2003-05-28 22:56                                                                                         ` David Lightstone
2003-05-22 20:29                                                                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2003-05-23  6:15                                                                                         ` Richard Riehle
2003-05-23 10:37                                                                                           ` Dale Stanbrough
2003-05-15 14:38                                                                                   ` Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: theAda " David C. Hoos
2003-05-15 15:20                                                                                     ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-05-15 16:34                                                                                     ` tmoran
2003-05-15 15:20                                                                                   ` Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada " Vinzent Hoefler
2003-05-15 23:00                                                                                     ` achrist
2003-05-16  3:22                                                                                       ` Ada for tiny machines ? Wesley Groleau
2003-05-16  4:40                                                                                       ` Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada tmoran
2003-05-16 14:31                                                                                         ` achrist
2003-05-17  5:11                                                                                           ` tmoran
2003-05-17 18:33                                                                                             ` achrist
2003-05-18  3:19                                                                                               ` tmoran
2003-05-15 15:04                                                                                 ` Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died)) Wesley Groleau
2003-05-16 12:31                                                                                   ` soft-eng
2003-05-16 13:47                                                                                     ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-16 18:20                                                                                     ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-16 14:04                                                                                 ` soft-eng
2003-05-16 17:42                                                                                   ` Steve O'Neill
2003-05-15  8:13                                                                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-15 18:07                                                                                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-05-15 18:26                                                                                   ` Shayne Wissler
2003-05-16 15:40                                                                                     ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-05-16 17:24                                                                                     ` soft-eng
2003-05-16 18:54                                                                                       ` Linnea
2003-05-17  0:43                                                                                         ` soft-eng
2003-05-16 19:20                                                                                       ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-05-16 20:57                                                                                         ` Larry Hazel
2003-05-17  0:42                                                                                         ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-05-17  0:47                                                                                         ` soft-eng
2003-05-17  1:55                                                                                         ` soft-eng
2003-05-17 15:28                                                                                     ` Bjorn Reese
2003-05-17 17:28                                                                                       ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-05-15 19:48                                                                                   ` Robert Spooner
2003-05-16  2:47                                                                                     ` John R. Strohm
2003-05-16  4:03                                                                                       ` Dr Chaos
2003-05-15 19:39                                                                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-16  6:23                                                                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-16  9:56                                                                                     ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-05-16 17:30                                                                                       ` Logic Errors and Ada (Was: A big hairy thread on Ada, Quality, and Drivers) Marc A. Criley
2003-05-18 23:02                                                                                         ` soft-eng
2003-05-19  1:37                                                                                           ` James S. Rogers
2003-05-19  3:13                                                                                             ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-19  5:44                                                                                             ` Anders Wirzenius
2003-05-20  0:55                                                                                               ` James S. Rogers
2003-05-19  2:00                                                                                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-05-20 10:28                                                                                             ` Logic Errors and Ada Peter Hermann
2003-05-21  3:05                                                                                               ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-05-19 11:11                                                                                           ` Logic Errors and Ada (Was: A big hairy thread on Ada, Quality, and Drivers) Martin Dowie
2003-05-19 19:42                                                                                             ` Simon Wright
2003-05-19 20:30                                                                                               ` Dr Chaos
2003-05-19 22:10                                                                                                 ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-20 13:36                                                                                                   ` Stephen Leake
2003-05-20  7:34                                                                                               ` Martin Dowie
2003-05-20 13:04                                                                                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-20 21:19                                                                                                   ` Martin Dowie
2003-05-21  7:19                                                                                                     ` Martin Dowie
2003-05-19 16:30                                                                                           ` Marc A. Criley
2003-05-19 21:57                                                                                           ` Gautier Write-only
2003-05-20 16:21                                                                                             ` soft-eng
2003-05-20 20:45                                                                                               ` Gautier Write-only
2003-05-20 20:52                                                                                               ` Tom Welsh
2003-05-16 17:43                                                                                       ` Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died)) Chad R. Meiners
2003-05-16  9:39                                                                               ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-05-16 22:32                                                                                 ` AG
2003-05-17  1:48                                                                                   ` soft-eng
2003-05-17  3:20                                                                                     ` AG
2003-05-17  3:47                                                                                     ` James S. Rogers
2003-05-19  1:57                                                                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-19  6:30                                                                                         ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-05-19  7:42                                                                                           ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-19  8:21                                                                                             ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-05-19 14:07                                                                                               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-19 14:31                                                                                                 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-05-19 15:00                                                                                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-19 15:21                                                                                                     ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-05-20 16:10                                                                                                   ` Robert A Duff
2003-05-20 19:23                                                                                                     ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-05-20 19:54                                                                                                       ` Robert A Duff
2003-05-22 21:15                                                                                                         ` Randy Brukardt
2003-05-23  0:48                                                                                                           ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-23 18:38                                                                                                             ` Randy Brukardt
2003-05-24 22:42                                                                                                               ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-05-25 10:53                                                                                                                 ` Matthew Woodcraft
2003-05-25 21:12                                                                                                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-05-25 12:33                                                                                                                 ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-25 19:47                                                                                                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-26 12:32                                                                                                                     ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-26 15:57                                                                                                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-27 12:02                                                                                                                         ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-27 12:26                                                                                                                           ` Dale Stanbrough
2003-05-28 11:25                                                                                                                             ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-28  6:56                                                                                                                           ` AG
2003-05-28 11:34                                                                                                                             ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-28  8:24                                                                                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-05-28 11:38                                                                                                                             ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-29  9:17                                                                                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-05-29 10:55                                                                                                                                 ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-28  9:13                                                                                                                           ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-05-28 11:53                                                                                                                             ` Saturated Math (was: " Marin David Condic
2003-05-28 13:02                                                                                                                               ` Saturated Math Vinzent Hoefler
2003-05-28 18:56                                                                                                                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2003-05-28 20:06                                                                                                                                   ` Robert A Duff
2003-05-29  9:17                                                                                                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-05-28 21:19                                                                                                                                   ` Dale Stanbrough
2003-05-28 21:45                                                                                                                                   ` Robert C. Leif
2003-05-29 11:02                                                                                                                                   ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-30  8:42                                                                                                                                     ` Dale Stanbrough
2003-05-30  9:22                                                                                                                                       ` AG
2003-05-30 10:54                                                                                                                                         ` Dale Stanbrough
2003-05-30 11:11                                                                                                                                           ` AG
2003-05-30 13:46                                                                                                                                             ` Dale Stanbrough
2003-05-30 18:55                                                                                                                                               ` Randy Brukardt
2003-05-30 19:31                                                                                                                                                 ` Robert A Duff
2003-05-31  7:25                                                                                                                                               ` AG
2003-05-31 12:12                                                                                                                                                 ` Dale Stanbrough
2003-05-30 11:41                                                                                                                                       ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-30 19:10                                                                                                                                         ` Randy Brukardt
2003-05-30 20:33                                                                                                                                         ` tmoran
2003-05-31  3:13                                                                                                                                           ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-31 13:31                                                                                                                                             ` Simon Wright
2003-05-30 22:50                                                                                                                                         ` John Griffiths
2003-05-31  9:30                                                                                                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-05-31  9:30                                                                                                                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-05-31 12:37                                                                                                                                           ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-30 18:49                                                                                                                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2003-05-30 19:46                                                                                                                                         ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-05-29  0:23                                                                                                                                 ` Robert A Duff
2003-05-29  3:13                                                                                                                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-05-29 11:08                                                                                                                                   ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-29 17:08                                                                                                                                     ` tmoran
2003-05-30  1:33                                                                                                                                       ` Robert C. Leif
2003-05-30 11:32                                                                                                                                       ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-29 17:13                                                                                                                                     ` Mike Silva
2003-06-01 17:17                                                                                                                                       ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-05-30 14:12                                                                                                                                   ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-05-30 14:23                                                                                                                                     ` Robert A Duff
2003-05-30 14:45                                                                                                                                       ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-05-30 16:03                                                                                                                                         ` Robert A Duff
2003-05-30 11:47                                                                                                                   ` Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died)) Mark Lorenzen
2003-05-30 11:50                                                                                                                     ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-31  9:30                                                                                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-05-31 12:45                                                                                                                         ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-31 17:19                                                                                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-05-27 21:08                                                                                                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2003-05-23  7:27                                                                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-05-23 21:21                                                                                                             ` Robert A Duff
2003-05-24  7:33                                                                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-05-25  5:50                                                                                                             ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-25  9:13                                                                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-05-25 20:46                                                                                                               ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-05-23 14:28                                                                                                           ` Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: theAda " Robert C. Leif
2003-05-25 15:38                                                                                                             ` Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: theAdamandate, " Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-05-20 20:59                                                                                                     ` Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, " tmoran
2003-05-21 15:11                                                                                                       ` Robert A Duff
2003-05-21 15:47                                                                                                         ` Quality systems Peter Hermann
2003-05-21 16:24                                                                                                         ` Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died)) tmoran
2003-05-21 11:42                                                                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-05-21 15:29                                                                                                       ` Robert A Duff
2003-05-22  7:29                                                                                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-05-22 12:27                                                                                                           ` Quality systems Peter Hermann
2003-05-22 17:21                                                                                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-05-21 18:28                                                                                                       ` Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died)) John R. Strohm
2003-05-22  7:09                                                                                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-05-28 11:35                                                                                                     ` Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Larry Kilgallen
     [not found]                                                                                                     ` <badvd5$raumj$1@ID-175126.newOrganization: LJK Software <QImmYdcyN2$d@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2003-05-28 12:29                                                                                                       ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-30 10:09                                                                                                     ` Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died)) Larry Kilgallen
2003-05-20  3:03                                                                                                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-05-23  6:21                                                                                                 ` Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: theAda " Richard Riehle
2003-05-19  7:57                                                                                         ` Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada " Preben Randhol
2003-05-19 19:04                                                                                         ` Overflow checking in GNAT (Was: Quality systems) Jacob Sparre Andersen
2003-05-16 12:25                                                                               ` Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died)) Marc A. Criley
2003-05-16 13:21                                                                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-16 19:07                                                                                   ` Dr Chaos
2003-05-19  7:35                                                                                   ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2003-05-19  7:39                                                                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-19  8:46                                                                                       ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2003-05-19 14:01                                                                                         ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-19 20:38                                                                                           ` Dr Chaos
2003-05-20  7:51                                                                                           ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2003-05-20  5:52                                                                                         ` The Ghost In The Machine
2003-05-20 13:18                                                                                           ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-21 13:57                                                                                             ` The Ghost In The Machine
2003-05-21 14:22                                                                                               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-23  5:18                                                                                                 ` The Ghost In The Machine
2003-05-25  5:54                                                                                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-25  6:28                                                                                                     ` Dale Stanbrough
2003-05-25  6:35                                                                                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-16 18:14                                                                                 ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-19 14:43                                                                                 ` Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Larry Kilgallen
2003-05-19 15:04                                                                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-13 14:43                                                                         ` Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died)) soft-eng
2003-05-13 21:01                                                                           ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-14 12:36                                                                             ` soft-eng
2003-05-15 13:55                                                                               ` Graham Perkins
2003-05-16 12:40                                                                                 ` soft-eng
2003-05-16 14:59                                                                                   ` Tom Welsh
2003-05-16 15:52                                                                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-17 14:34                                                                                     ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-05-17 16:59                                                                                       ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-17 18:01                                                                                         ` WinGuru
2003-05-17 18:08                                                                                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-17 21:58                                                                                           ` AG
2003-05-18  8:12                                                                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-05-18  7:50                                                                                         ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-05-18  9:07                                                                                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-18  9:10                                                                                             ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-18  9:27                                                                                             ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-05-18  9:56                                                                                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-18 13:39                                                                                               ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-22 10:16                                                                                                 ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-05-22 11:43                                                                                                   ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-22 11:50                                                                                                     ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-05-22 12:52                                                                                                     ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-05-18  0:52                                                                                       ` tmoran
2003-05-18  7:54                                                                                         ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-05-18  9:04                                                                                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-18  9:25                                                                                             ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-05-18  9:55                                                                                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-18 10:50                                                                                                 ` Pascal Obry
2003-05-19  7:52                                                                                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-18 10:16                                                                                               ` Dale Stanbrough
2003-05-18 11:06                                                                                                 ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-05-18 11:10                                                                                                   ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-05-18 11:37                                                                                                     ` Dale Stanbrough
2003-05-19  7:50                                                                                                       ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-19  8:23                                                                                                         ` Dale Stanbrough
2003-05-19 15:12                                                                                                         ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-18 11:41                                                                                                     ` Dale Stanbrough
2003-05-19  7:47                                                                                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-19 15:11                                                                                                     ` [off-topic] fruit inspection Wesley Groleau
2003-05-19 19:00                                                                                                       ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-22 11:00                                                                                 ` Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died)) Larry Kilgallen
     [not found]                                                                                 ` <9fa75d42.0305160440.7846d1Organization: LJK Software <bNuxBNMk4BSq@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2003-05-22 13:12                                                                                   ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-05-22 14:17                                                                                 ` Larry Kilgallen
     [not found]                                                                             ` <9fa75d42.0305140436.5 <ba067m$iph$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>
2003-05-15 14:18                                                                               ` Roy Smith
2003-05-15 16:44                                                                                 ` Quality systems Dave Aronson
2003-05-16  0:40                                                                                   ` Willard Thompson
2003-05-13 14:48                                                                         ` Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died)) Willard Thompson
2003-05-13 16:03                                                                     ` Kaz Kylheku
2003-05-09 16:23                                                             ` Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died) Wesley Groleau
2003-05-09 18:52                                                             ` Jim Rogers
2003-05-12  0:47                                                               ` Dave Thompson
2003-05-14  3:25                                                                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-05-14  5:19                                                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-22  6:30                                                                   ` Dave Thompson
2003-05-09 19:27                                                             ` Marc A. Criley
2003-05-10 14:09                                                               ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-10 17:37                                                                 ` soft-eng
2003-05-10 18:00                                                                   ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-05-09 22:32                                                             ` Gautier
2003-05-01 19:29                                                     ` Gautier
2003-05-09 13:36                                                       ` soft-eng
2003-05-09 16:14                                                         ` John R. Strohm
2003-05-09 17:46                                                         ` soft-eng
2003-05-10  8:40                                                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-10  8:30                                                         ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-10 17:35                                                           ` soft-eng
2003-05-12  8:16                                                             ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-01 19:44                                                     ` Dr Chaos
2003-05-02 12:29                                                     ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-09 17:37                                                       ` soft-eng
2003-05-10  6:56                                                         ` Tom Welsh
2003-05-10 14:51                                                           ` Marin David Condic
2003-05-10 17:27                                                           ` soft-eng
2003-05-11  1:36                                                             ` John R. Strohm
2003-05-11 22:13                                                             ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-05-12 13:51                                                               ` soft-eng
2003-05-13 12:12                                                                 ` Using Ada for device drivers? Georg Bauhaus
2003-05-15  1:32                                                                   ` soft-eng
2003-05-15 17:54                                                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-05-10 14:36                                                         ` Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died) Marin David Condic
2003-05-02 18:21                                                 ` Using Ada for device drivers? Georg Bauhaus
2003-05-02 18:37                                                   ` Robert A Duff
2003-05-04 18:33                                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-05 12:30                                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-05-05 13:12                                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-06 14:47                                                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-05-06 17:37                                                           ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-06 21:02                                                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-05-06  9:15                                                     ` Peter Hermann
2003-05-06 19:40                                                     ` Jim Rogers
2003-05-06 20:13                                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-06 20:13                                                     ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-04-24 13:05                                       ` the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died (was): 64 bit addressing and OOP Larry Kilgallen
2003-04-24 13:33                                       ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-04-24 14:09                                       ` John R. Strohm
2003-04-24 20:37                                       ` Kaz Kylheku
2003-05-01  1:32                                       ` Adam Ruth
2003-04-23 18:31                                   ` Simon Wright
2003-04-23 18:40                                   ` Samuel Tardieu
2003-04-22 19:33                             ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-04-23  4:28                             ` Larry Kilgallen
     [not found]                             ` <9fa75d42.0304221126.7112b7d5@posting.gOrganization: LJK Software <d3xFAUvBYizb@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2003-04-22 21:50                               ` Robert A Duff
2003-04-23  0:01                                 ` Dale Stanbrough
2003-04-26 14:44                                   ` soft-eng
2003-04-27  4:55                                     ` Steve
2003-04-27 21:48                                       ` [off-topic] electronic mismatch Wesley Groleau
2003-04-23 13:15                               ` the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died (was): 64 bit addressing and OOP soft-eng
2003-04-23 18:40                                 ` Dr Chaos
2003-05-01  1:39                                 ` Adam Ruth
2003-04-23 13:54                               ` Larry Kilgallen
     [not found]                               ` <9fa75d42.030423Organization: LJK Software <kKoVGF55fYtj@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2003-04-23 15:47                                 ` H. S. Lahman
2003-04-25 19:38                                 ` soft-eng
2003-04-23 16:24                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-04-25  0:15                               ` Richard Riehle
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