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From: "Marin David Condic" <dont.bother.mcondic.auntie.spam@[acm.org>
Subject: Re: Ada's Slide To Oblivion ...
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:28:19 -0500
Date: 2002-01-31T22:28:22+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a3cge6$ik3$1@nh.pace.co.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 3C59B1BA.EFCD88C9@gbr.msd.ray.com

Well, that's largely a question of the economics of the situation. Suppose
you are making a controller card for a power generating turbine. You sell
these to Florida Power & Light for backup generators, so your sales numbers
are measured in - oh, what? - thousands? hundreds? - lets say 1000 units. To
design a custom board that might eliminate some parts from an off-the-shelf
board could be quite costly. Figure you've got a whole range of tests to run
on it as well to make sure it won't break in its expected use, etc. That
could be a lot of $$$. What do you get for that compared to a COTS board
that maybe you can buy for $100 in quantities of a few hundred? And compared
to the overall price of the end product, its a pretty small item to
optimize. Plus all the headaches of managing the design & manufacture of a
new board and all the risks that go with it. Its probably better to buy one
than attempt to save the cost of the few extra parts you may not need.

Now compare those economics to something that, say, might be more of a
consumer product. Say you're making a microwave oven and plan on selling
them on the order of 1,000,000 units over the life of the design. Suddenly,
some time spent to custom design a board (perhaps based on a COTS-SBC that
you use for development and prototyping) starts making sense. If you can
eliminate $1.00 worth of parts from the board, that saves you $1,000,000 -
which might justify the development and testing costs.

Even for relatively short-run products, it sometimes pays because you might
not be able to get the performance or reliability out of a COTS design that
you need. This is common for rockets because typically you can't buy a COTS
board that would stand up to the extremes of heat, cold and gamma radiation
it has to live through. But that's a rather unusual case. For most shorter
production runs, its going to be more economical to get an SBC that is
reasonably optimized for what you need.

MDC
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Marin David Condic
Senior Software Engineer
Pace Micro Technology Americas    www.pacemicro.com
Enabling the digital revolution
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"Steve O'Neill" <oneils@gbr.msd.ray.com> wrote in message
news:3C59B1BA.EFCD88C9@gbr.msd.ray.com...
>
> > So what good is an SBC to someone building a rocket ship or a subway ?
> > They aren't really going to build it with SBCs in the production units,
> > are they ?
>
> If they can they will.  The potential cost savings between designing and
> building
> your own hardware and grabbing a commercial board is potentially huge.
> And the
> US DoD has been pushing the use of COTS (Commercial Off-The-Shelf)
> components very
> hard for the past decade.
>






  reply	other threads:[~2002-01-31 22:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-01-30 23:09 Ada's Slide To Oblivion Volkert
2002-01-30 23:57 ` Marin David Condic
2002-01-31  3:04   ` Richard Riehle
2002-01-31  3:05     ` Eric Merritt
2002-01-31 16:26       ` Richard Riehle
2002-01-31 16:41         ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-02-02 15:51           ` Zach Swanson
2002-02-02 19:18             ` Richard Riehle
2002-02-04  4:43         ` Richard Riehle
2002-01-31 14:37     ` Marin David Condic
2002-01-31 15:14   ` Ted Dennison
2002-01-31 17:16     ` Marin David Condic
2002-01-31 18:32       ` Steve O'Neill
2002-01-31 18:27     ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-01-31 19:22       ` Marin David Condic
2002-01-31 20:40       ` Christopher A. Bohn
2002-01-31 21:08         ` Marin David Condic
2002-02-01 14:22           ` [off-topic - to lighten the air] Wes Groleau
2002-02-01  2:31         ` Ada's Slide To Oblivion Richard Riehle
2002-02-04 16:51           ` Jerry Petrey
2002-02-04 17:49             ` Richard Riehle
2002-02-04 18:24               ` Marin David Condic
2002-02-05  9:04                 ` DPH
2002-02-05 14:46                   ` Marin David Condic
2002-02-05 16:37                 ` Wes Groleau
2002-02-05 17:22                   ` Marin David Condic
2002-02-05 18:42                   ` Preben Randhol
2002-02-06 21:37                     ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-02-07 11:30                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-02-05 13:48               ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-02-06  7:07             ` Anders Wirzenius
2002-02-01  2:26       ` Richard Riehle
2002-02-01 14:27         ` A. Nonny Mouse
2002-02-01 17:18         ` Dale Pontius
2002-02-06  2:37           ` Nick Roberts
2002-02-06  7:31             ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2002-02-06 21:27               ` Nick Roberts
2002-02-06 22:03                 ` Ian S. Nelson
2002-02-07  1:44                 ` Philip Cummins
2002-02-07 13:56                 ` Ian Wild
2002-02-07 17:25                   ` Ray Blaak
2002-02-07 19:20                     ` Hyman Rosen
2002-02-07 21:36                       ` David Brown
2002-02-08 10:36                         ` Ian Wild
2002-02-08 12:23                           ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2002-02-08 12:51                             ` Ian Wild
2002-02-08 14:28                               ` Marin David Condic
2002-02-08 15:52                               ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2002-02-08 13:08                             ` Nick Roberts
2002-02-08 21:28                               ` Matthew Woodcraft
2002-02-08 21:45                               ` Nick Roberts
2002-02-08 22:44                                 ` Darren New
2002-02-09  0:39                           ` David Brown
2002-02-18  3:54                 ` David Thompson
2002-02-06 14:59             ` Ian S. Nelson
2002-01-31 18:28     ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-01-31  2:37 ` Jim Rogers
2002-01-31 15:02   ` Marin David Condic
2002-01-31 18:28     ` Steve O'Neill
2002-01-31 19:41       ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-01-31 19:53         ` martin.m.dowie
2002-01-31 20:06         ` Marin David Condic
2002-01-31 21:06         ` Steve O'Neill
2002-01-31 22:28           ` Marin David Condic [this message]
2002-01-31 19:42       ` Marin David Condic
2002-01-31 18:41     ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-01-31 19:52       ` Marin David Condic
2002-02-01 18:31         ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-02-01 12:28     ` David Gillon
2002-02-01 21:02       ` Marin David Condic
2002-02-02  4:05         ` Adrian Hoe
2002-02-02 12:51           ` Jeffrey Creem
2002-02-04 15:58           ` Marin David Condic
2002-02-02  4:02       ` Adrian Hoe
2002-02-02 17:35         ` tmoran
2002-02-01  1:42 ` Randy Brukardt
2002-02-01 16:56   ` Nick Roberts
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2002-02-06  7:02 Christoph Grein
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