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From: jan.de.kruyf@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Build language with weak typing, then add scaffolding later to strengthen it?
Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 11:16:44 -0700 (PDT)
Date: 2015-05-22T11:16:44-07:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a3a91408-8c27-4c5f-b29b-acfd02e76fe4@googlegroups.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <mjnq18$b6j$2@dont-email.me>

On Friday, May 22, 2015 at 7:47:27 PM UTC+2, Simon Clubley wrote:

> >
> >> I don't agree. C is a low level language, and good at that.
> >
> > I say Ada is far superior to C for doing low-level programming.
> > Address clauses, representation clauses, packed arrays, ...
> >
> 
> Unfortunately, C has one major advantage over Ada which is why it's
> used for this kind of thing. Practically every platform out there has
> a freely available C compiler which supports the platform as a target
> so you can be sure you don't have to rewrite your C code in another
> language when you want to port your code to a new environment.
> 
> Simon.
> 
> -- 

There is more to it than that Simon.
I am looking at the moment at Linux Kernel code in order to write a module at least partly in Ada.

What I find is that (based on C) the Kernel writers have developed their own idiom that interfaces extremely badly to any language of the Algol family, of which Ada is one.
The inummerable #defines for inline routines are an example.
(And it is proven that those inlines slow the system down by the way, but that Linus did not know when he started the bad habit).

So basically its like writing your next novel in German. It might be a superior language ;) but it takes a real hobbyist to do it.

So besides any compilers, or the quality (or the lack thereof) of any computer language, there is a deeply cultural aspect involved. 

j.
  



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2015-05-21 19:11 Build language with weak typing, then add scaffolding later to strengthen it? Nasser M. Abbasi
2015-05-21 19:29 ` AdaMagica
2015-05-22  7:27   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-05-22  7:42 ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-05-22  8:54   ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2015-05-22 11:29 ` kalvin.news
2015-05-22 12:57   ` J-P. Rosen
2015-05-22 14:01     ` kalvin.news
2015-05-22 14:34       ` kalvin.news
2015-05-23 11:09         ` Peter Chapin
2015-05-22 15:37       ` J-P. Rosen
2015-05-22 16:29         ` kalvin.news
2015-05-22 17:39           ` Simon Clubley
2015-05-22 17:51             ` kalvin.news
2015-05-22 19:41               ` J-P. Rosen
2015-05-22 20:04                 ` kalvin.news
2015-05-22 20:32                   ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2015-05-22 21:22                     ` kalvin.news
2015-05-23 11:14                     ` Peter Chapin
2015-05-23 12:42                       ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2015-05-23 17:48                         ` Simon Wright
2015-05-25  8:34                           ` Pascal Obry
2015-05-25 10:22                             ` Simon Wright
2015-05-25 18:12                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-05-22 20:39                   ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-28 22:33                     ` Randy Brukardt
2015-05-29  6:56                       ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-23 12:40                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-05-25  7:14                     ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-25 12:26                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-05-25 18:44                       ` Shark8
2015-05-25 19:54                         ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-25 21:25                           ` Shark8
2015-05-26  7:46                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-05-26  8:12                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-05-25 20:01                         ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2015-05-25 20:04                           ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2015-05-25 20:37                             ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-26  7:52                               ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2015-05-26 11:43                                 ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-26 15:38                                   ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-28 23:39                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2015-05-29  8:51                                     ` Stefan.Lucks
2015-05-29 18:04                                       ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2015-05-29 21:51                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2015-05-30 10:28                                         ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-30 11:12                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-05-30 13:21                                             ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-30 15:00                                               ` Simon Clubley
2015-05-30 18:40                                                 ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-30 16:40                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-05-30 20:52                                                 ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-31  8:31                                                   ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2015-05-31  8:52                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-06-04 15:31                                                     ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-06-04 17:23                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-06-04 20:14                                                         ` Shark8
2015-06-04 23:12                                                           ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2015-06-01 21:36                                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2015-06-04 15:22                                                   ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-27 13:41                                 ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-25 23:05                             ` Peter Chapin
2015-05-26  8:01                               ` Sylvain Laperche
2015-05-26  8:20                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-05-26  8:49                                 ` J-P. Rosen
2015-05-26 12:36                                   ` Simon Clubley
2015-05-26 13:39                                     ` J-P. Rosen
2015-05-26 14:21                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-05-26 16:19                                       ` Shark8
2015-05-26 20:51                                         ` J-P. Rosen
2015-05-26 17:11                                   ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2015-05-28 23:49                                     ` Randy Brukardt
2015-05-29 21:54                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2015-05-29 22:32                                         ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2015-05-26  8:17                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-05-28 22:46                       ` Randy Brukardt
2015-05-28 23:18                         ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2015-05-29 21:27                           ` Randy Brukardt
2015-05-29  7:55                         ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-29  9:27                           ` Simon Wright
2015-05-29 10:23                             ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-29 12:01                               ` G.B.
2015-05-29 13:43                                 ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-29 15:32                             ` Simon Wright
2015-05-29 15:57                               ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-29  9:31                         ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2015-05-29 10:37                           ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-29 10:56                           ` Björn Lundin
2015-05-29 12:03                             ` Peter Chapin
2015-05-29 21:00                               ` Shark8
2015-05-29 20:57                           ` Shark8
2015-05-29 21:36                             ` Randy Brukardt
2015-06-01 22:20                               ` Shark8
2015-05-29 21:45                           ` Randy Brukardt
2015-05-29 23:12                             ` Peter Chapin
2015-05-30  9:10                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-05-23 13:01                 ` Luke A. Guest
2015-05-22 17:57             ` Simon Wright
2015-05-22 18:31               ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-22 14:03     ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-22 15:21       ` David Botton
2015-05-22 15:23         ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-22 15:31       ` Bob Duff
2015-05-22 15:48         ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-22 14:25     ` G.B.
2015-05-22 15:04     ` Bill White
2015-05-22 15:28     ` Bob Duff
2015-05-22 17:46       ` Simon Clubley
2015-05-22 18:16         ` jan.de.kruyf [this message]
2015-05-22 19:01           ` Simon Wright
2015-05-22 19:41             ` jan.de.kruyf
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