From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)
Subject: Re: contracted exceptions
Date: 8 Jun 2007 21:44:15 -0500
Date: 2007-06-08T21:44:15-05:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <a0ws8v8zxiT2@eisner.encompasserve.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: f4cr8j$mb8$1@jacob-sparre.dk
In article <f4cr8j$mb8$1@jacob-sparre.dk>, "Randy Brukardt" <randy@rrsoftware.com> writes:
> "Simon Wright" <simon.j.wright@mac.com> wrote in message
> news:m2k5ue8dhk.fsf@mac.com...
> ...
>> If our fielded application raises an unhandled exception it's going to
>> be the result of a design error or at least a design shortcoming. We
>> will log the exception traceback and stop all application processing;
>> the system is in an unstable state. The operator can then restart and
>> (if we are lucky) send us the fault log for debugging. If we're
>> unlucky they'll just complain about us to each other and our
>> reputation is shot.
>>
>> The operator has no access to or interest in a debugger.
>
> And that's true for virtually all applications. [Aside: didn't we have this
> discussion a few months ago??] Only the original developer(s) care about why
> something failed; other users (the vast majority) only care that it failed.
> Even users of a compiler don't want an internal error to throw them into a
> debugger: what value could that have? (As for the original developer(s),
> they can only use a debugger if they can reproduce the actual error -- and
> the ability to do that is rare. It's actually better to have the partial
> information from a good logging mechanism, because at least some fraction of
> the time the error will be obvious and fixable. And the information doesn't
> have to be that partial; I recall that the error dump on the Pascal compiler
> we used in college actually dumped all of the local variables in its
> traceback on a failure.
There is a long tradition of a "core dump" on a failing program,
although these days it tends to be more structured. The VMS dump
from an application can be examined back at the developer's shop
using the regular debugger interface -- for those cases where the
security policy of the user site allows export of such opaque data
to the developer.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-06-09 2:44 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-06-06 21:33 Reconsidering assignment Maciej Sobczak
2007-06-06 22:52 ` Ray Blaak
2007-06-07 7:15 ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-06-07 16:34 ` Ray Blaak
2007-06-07 7:10 ` Stefan Lucks
2007-06-07 7:32 ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-06-07 11:11 ` Stefan Lucks
2007-06-07 16:28 ` Ray Blaak
2007-06-07 9:27 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-06-07 16:54 ` contracted exceptions (was Re: Reconsidering assignment) Ray Blaak
2007-06-07 20:04 ` contracted exceptions Robert A Duff
2007-06-07 21:11 ` Ray Blaak
2007-06-07 23:44 ` Robert A Duff
2007-06-08 2:19 ` Randy Brukardt
2007-06-08 7:39 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-06-08 8:53 ` Ray Blaak
2007-06-08 12:08 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-06-08 17:31 ` Ray Blaak
2007-06-08 18:00 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-06-08 18:20 ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-06-08 18:56 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-06-08 19:15 ` Simon Wright
2007-06-09 0:14 ` Randy Brukardt
2007-06-09 2:44 ` Larry Kilgallen [this message]
2007-06-09 8:21 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-06-09 12:32 ` Simon Wright
2007-06-09 18:38 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-06-09 21:04 ` Simon Wright
2007-06-10 9:21 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-06-10 11:49 ` Simon Wright
2007-06-10 15:20 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-06-11 4:13 ` Ray Blaak
2007-06-11 7:58 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-06-11 17:06 ` Ray Blaak
2007-06-11 19:57 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-06-10 18:14 ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-06-10 18:12 ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-06-11 7:55 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-06-11 14:15 ` Bob Spooner
2007-06-11 15:14 ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-06-11 15:20 ` (see below)
2007-06-11 16:39 ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-06-11 19:50 ` Simon Wright
2007-06-08 11:26 ` Martin Krischik
2007-06-08 12:02 ` Robert A Duff
2007-06-08 11:22 ` contracted exceptions (was Re: Reconsidering assignment) Martin Krischik
2007-06-08 17:44 ` Ray Blaak
2007-06-08 12:10 ` contracted exceptions Robert A Duff
2007-06-08 15:56 ` Stefan Lucks
2007-06-08 20:27 ` Pascal Obry
2007-06-09 0:19 ` Randy Brukardt
2007-06-09 18:04 ` Robert A Duff
2007-06-09 18:37 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-06-09 20:43 ` Robert A Duff
2007-06-10 9:21 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-06-11 19:18 ` Randy Brukardt
2007-06-12 6:55 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2007-06-08 17:40 ` Ray Blaak
2007-06-09 18:14 ` Robert A Duff
2007-06-08 19:18 ` Simon Wright
2007-06-09 22:37 ` Reconsidering assignment Maciej Sobczak
2007-06-10 9:21 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-06-11 9:04 ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-06-11 13:09 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-06-11 18:57 ` Randy Brukardt
2007-06-11 21:12 ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-06-12 8:31 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-06-12 9:31 ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-06-12 10:03 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
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