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From: tmoran@acm.org
Subject: Re: Crosspost: Help wanted from comp.compilers
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 06:44:10 GMT
Date: 2003-07-17T06:44:10+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <_ArRa.81541$H17.26007@sccrnsc02> (raw)
In-Reply-To: ewnRa.2203$7O.386@nwrdny01.gnilink.net

>Apparently, people needed to recompile some modules for debugging
>or optimization, and this triggered cascades which made them unhappy.
>Since the source files hadn't changed, they weren't being unreasonable
>in their expectations. Ada83 didn't require such behavior.
  I'm reminded of days spent at the "help desk" in grad school.  "You say
the program used to work and now doesn't and you didn't change anything.
Why did you run it a second time if you didn't change anything?"  To which
the answer always was "well, I just made this one little change..."
  Remember that Ada has separate specs and bodies.  If you want to change
the optimization or get additional debug output on the body, you can
recompile the body and it doesn't cause cascades.  If you recompile the
spec with a different optimization level then some things (record layouts,
for instance) might change, and you certainly had better recompile
anything that depends on that spec.  If you made no changes to the source
of a spec and you made no changes to the compiler switches, and you are
using the same identical compiler exe, and you didn't clobber the object
file, then why the heck are you recompiling?

> GNAT doesn't exhibit such behavior.
  I just 'touch'ed a spec file, but made no changes.  I then ran gnatmake
with the same options as previously.  Lo and behold, Gnat recompiled the
spec, the body, and the main program that 'with'ed that spec.  So Gnat
most assuredly does recompile when there might be a change.

  BTW, I recall as one of the nicest things about my first Ada compiler,
Janus (long before Gnat), was that it didn't need a "make" or special
library database.  Just like gnatmake, it looked at the files on disk
and recompiled just what was necessary.



  reply	other threads:[~2003-07-17  6:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-07-15  5:46 Crosspost: Help wanted from comp.compilers John R. Strohm
2003-07-15 13:30 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-15 14:07   ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-07-15 21:02   ` John R. Strohm
2003-07-15 23:00     ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-16  1:52     ` Jeffrey Carter
2003-07-16  4:45       ` John R. Strohm
2003-07-16  3:21     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-16 17:15       ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-16 17:38         ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-07-16 18:04         ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-16 21:05           ` John R. Strohm
2003-07-16 21:23             ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-16 23:23               ` Marin David Condic
2003-07-17  1:39                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-17 12:25                   ` Marin David Condic
2003-07-17  1:48               ` Randy Brukardt
2003-07-17  2:06                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-17  6:44                   ` tmoran [this message]
2003-07-17  7:59                     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-17 18:02                       ` tmoran
2003-07-19 16:51                     ` Richard Riehle
2003-07-20 10:38                       ` Marin David Condic
2003-07-22 20:29                     ` Simon Wright
2003-07-17  8:37                   ` tmoran
2003-07-17 14:10                     ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-07-17 18:02                       ` tmoran
2003-07-17 18:14                         ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-07-17 19:29                         ` Robert A Duff
2003-07-17 13:12                   ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-07-17 13:33                     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-17  4:29               ` John R. Strohm
2003-07-17  4:58                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-17  6:44                   ` tmoran
2003-07-17  7:50                     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-17 18:02                       ` tmoran
2003-07-17 18:14                         ` Ed Falis
2003-07-17 18:35                           ` David C. Hoos
2003-07-17 19:13                             ` Ed Falis
2003-07-17 19:24                           ` Robert A Duff
2003-07-17 19:39                             ` Ed Falis
2003-07-17 20:20                               ` Robert A Duff
2003-07-17 20:31                                 ` Ed Falis
2003-07-17 19:40                           ` tmoran
2003-07-17 19:47                             ` Ed Falis
2003-07-17 21:23                               ` tmoran
2003-07-17 22:38                                 ` Ed Falis
2003-07-17  6:46                   ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2003-07-17  9:50                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-07-17 21:45                     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-18  1:22                       ` John R. Strohm
2003-07-18  3:15                         ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-18  6:18                           ` John R. Strohm
2003-07-18 14:43                             ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-19  5:25                               ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-20 14:42                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-20 18:46                                   ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-07-21 15:37                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-21 17:59                                       ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-07-20 23:06                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-21 15:14                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-21 20:11                                       ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-22  2:19                                         ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-22  4:54                                           ` John R. Strohm
2003-07-22  5:02                                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-22 11:53                                             ` Marin David Condic
2003-07-22 17:58                                             ` Randy Brukardt
2003-07-22 19:16                                             ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-23  7:20                                               ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-07-23 14:27                                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-23 15:08                                                   ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-07-21 16:00                                     ` tmoran
2003-07-21 23:54                                       ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-18 11:31                           ` Larry Kilgallen
     [not found]                           ` <bf83qt$ju3@library2.airnews.netOrganization: LJK Software <lSNU7JdZau5p@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2003-07-18 14:43                             ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-18 11:28                         ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-07-16 23:14             ` Marin David Condic
2003-07-17  4:08               ` John R. Strohm
2003-07-17  9:42         ` Preben Randhol
2003-07-18 17:18           ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-18 17:42             ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-15 21:59   ` Christopher Browne
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