Ada Jobs

Ada Jobs

[Flavius Vespasianus]

I have always wanted to work on an Ada project. While working for a 
computer vendor, I provided consulting to some customers (now no longer in 
existence) using Ada. I've written Ada programs for learning purpose. 
However, most of my work has been in C++ for the past 15 years. 

The reason for my interest is that I also do a lot of Object Pascal work 
and I find that in spite of my very neat and careful C++ coding, whenever I 
port to Object Pascal I discover a lot of errors in my C++ code. I'm 
interest in seeing on a large scale any Ada improved reliability.

The problem is I can never find any Ada consulting work, let alone any 
where they would take someone for a first real Ada project.

Is anyone really using Ada in Northern NJ?

Re: Ada Jobs

[Jeffrey Carter]

Flavius Vespasianus wrote:
> 
> Is anyone really using Ada in Northern NJ?

I have certainly seen Ada jobs advertized in NJ (not sure if they're N 
or not). Right now there are 3 on dice.com. Be sure to search for 'ada 
"software engineer"' or you'll get every job with an ADA disclaimer.

-- 
Jeff Carter
"To Err is human, to really screw up, you need C++!"
St�phane Richard
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Re: Ada Jobs

[Jeffrey Carter]

Jeffrey Carter wrote:
> 
> I have certainly seen Ada jobs advertized in NJ (not sure if they're N 
> or not). Right now there are 3 on dice.com. Be sure to search for 'ada 
> "software engineer"' or you'll get every job with an ADA disclaimer.

To be more precise, a search on Dice turns up 3 listings in NJ. I didn't 
look at the details. In practice, you'll see a lot of "C++, Ada a plus" 
listings. I don't know what that means, but it may mean they're 
injecting errors into perfectly good systems by rewriting them in C++. 
It should be a crime to take such a job. But 1/3 or more of the listings 
are usually real Ada jobs.

-- 
Jeff Carter
"To Err is human, to really screw up, you need C++!"
St�phane Richard
63

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[adaworks]

"Jeffrey Carter" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message
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>
> To be more precise, a search on Dice turns up 3 listings in NJ. I didn't
> look at the details. In practice, you'll see a lot of "C++, Ada a plus"
> listings. I don't know what that means, but it may mean they're
> injecting errors into perfectly good systems by rewriting them in C++.
> It should be a crime to take such a job. But 1/3 or more of the listings
> are usually real Ada jobs.
>
I recently had an invitation to apply for a job converting Ada to C++.  I
wrote back and told them that I refused to even consider a job that
was based on such supreme stupidity.

Richard Riehle

Re: Ada Jobs

[Mark Lorenzen]

<adaworks@sbcglobal.net> writes:

> "Jeffrey Carter" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message
> news:CWiDe.5621$dU3.673@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> >
> > To be more precise, a search on Dice turns up 3 listings in NJ. I didn't
> > look at the details. In practice, you'll see a lot of "C++, Ada a plus"
> > listings. I don't know what that means, but it may mean they're
> > injecting errors into perfectly good systems by rewriting them in C++.
> > It should be a crime to take such a job. But 1/3 or more of the listings
> > are usually real Ada jobs.
> >
> I recently had an invitation to apply for a job converting Ada to C++.  I
> wrote back and told them that I refused to even consider a job that
> was based on such supreme stupidity.
> 
> Richard Riehle

Cool! A guy from some "headhunter" company called my and asked if I
was interested in a programming job. The client company was using
Visual Basic and he said they were "coding like crazy". I said that I
was interested in software engineering, but he simply didn't get it.

- Mark Lorenzen

Re: Ada Jobs

[Jim Slade]

Jeffrey Carter <spam@spam.com> wrote in news:oIiDe.5612$dU3.4542
@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net:

> Flavius Vespasianus wrote:
>> 
>> Is anyone really using Ada in Northern NJ?
> 
> I have certainly seen Ada jobs advertized in NJ (not sure if they're N 
> or not). Right now there are 3 on dice.com. Be sure to search for 'ada 
> "software engineer"' or you'll get every job with an ADA disclaimer.

Unfortunately, the jobs ads for N. NJ are all for the same job from 
different sources.....and it requires a security clearance creating the 
classic chicken and egg problem.

Re: Ada Jobs

[Jeffrey Carter]

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Jim Slade wrote:
> Unfortunately, the jobs ads for N. NJ are all for the same job from 
> different sources.....and it requires a security clearance creating the 
> classic chicken and egg problem.

Looking in detail at the 3 positions on Dice.com, one is a contract 
position in Nutley looking for Ada tasking experience and requires a 
secret clearance. The other 2 are direct positions with SAIC in Red Bank 
and are C/++ and Java positions ("Ada a plus").

So Dice has 1 Ada position in NJ right now. If you don't have a 
clearance, that could be a problem. On the other hand, if you're in that 
area, you may have an idea which company it is, and could approach the 
company directly and get around the clearance requirement that way.

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Re: Ada Jobs

[steve]

Ada is a good language, but there is really very little Ada jobs.

Only hope for more Ada jobs is to have more open source Ada projects
start.

This will make Ada become popular again, and will get more people
interested in it, and eventually this will carry over to commerical
work.

How is the gcc/GNAT integration going on? I have not been following
that for some time. Is GNAT now completely integrated with gcc? can one
now compile any Ada program using gcc without having to download any
additional software or install anything else?

Steve

Re: Ada Jobs

[Georg Bauhaus]

steve wrote:

> How is the gcc/GNAT integration going on? I have not been following
> that for some time. Is GNAT now completely integrated with gcc? can one
> now compile any Ada program using gcc without having to download any
> additional software or install anything else?

GNAT is IMHO well integrated for some time now. 3.4.x and 4.0.x work
quite well, the 4 series adds some support for Ada 2005. "Any Ada program"
may require any other software needed by that Ada program, though,
if the other software is not part of Ada or the GNAT library.

Debian GNU/Linux and MinGW have ready made compilers, Debian adds
a number of libraries, some for 3.15p (with corrections) though.

Re: Ada Jobs

[Ludovic Brenta]

Georg Bauhaus <bauhaus@futureapps.de> writes:

> steve wrote:
>
>> How is the gcc/GNAT integration going on? I have not been following
>> that for some time. Is GNAT now completely integrated with gcc? can one
>> now compile any Ada program using gcc without having to download any
>> additional software or install anything else?
>
> GNAT is IMHO well integrated for some time now. 3.4.x and 4.0.x work
> quite well, the 4 series adds some support for Ada 2005. "Any Ada program"
> may require any other software needed by that Ada program, though,
> if the other software is not part of Ada or the GNAT library.
>
> Debian GNU/Linux and MinGW have ready made compilers, Debian adds
> a number of libraries, some for 3.15p (with corrections) though.

I agree that much progress has been made in the integration of GNAT
into GCC.  However, ASIS and GLADE for GCC 4.0 are still missing,
unfortunately.

-- 
Ludovic Brenta.

Gnat-GCC integration

[Björn Persson]

Ludovic Brenta wrote:
> I agree that much progress has been made in the integration of GNAT
> into GCC.  However, ASIS and GLADE for GCC 4.0 are still missing,
> unfortunately.

And what about Gnatelim, Gnatmetric, GnatPP and Gnatstub? They don't 
seem to come with GCC, and as far as I know no separate releases are 
made. Nonetheless, the "gnat" command in GCC announces their existence.

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Re: Gnat-GCC integration

[Ludovic Brenta]

Björn Persson <spam-away@nowhere.nil> writes:

> Ludovic Brenta wrote:
>> I agree that much progress has been made in the integration of GNAT
>> into GCC.  However, ASIS and GLADE for GCC 4.0 are still missing,
>> unfortunately.
>
> And what about Gnatelim, Gnatmetric, GnatPP and Gnatstub? They don't
> seem to come with GCC, and as far as I know no separate releases are
> made. Nonetheless, the "gnat" command in GCC announces their existence.

That's right; all these commands require ASIS (not sure about gnatpp
though).  Even the GNAT 3.15p User's Guide has sections about gnatstub
and gnatelim, but they are part of the ASIS distribution.

-- 
Ludovic Brenta.

Re: Ada Jobs

[Marin David Condic]

I'd suggest that generating lots of open source Ada projects is a rather 
circuitous route to more Ada jobs. Its rather uncertain that there is 
any direct correlation between lines of open source code available in a 
language and jobs using that language. At best, that could take a long 
time before it had the desired effect.

Much more likely to create Ada jobs is to create and market some kind of 
product in which Ada is a factor. If a guy builds a Furby and programs 
it in Ada and gets a market going for Furbys, he hires more Ada 
programmers. Even if its an "internal product" - something used by your 
company in its critical processes - it creates jobs. The point is that 
if you have numerous people using some end product that they consider 
valuable, they come up with the money to further its development - and 
that makes jobs. It doesn't really matter if the product has open source 
code or extremely proprietary code. What matters is that it is a 
_Product_ that is _Useful_ and for which people will exchange _Money_. 
Otherwise, its all just interesting academics that will never produce a 
job for anyone.

MDC


steve wrote:
> Only hope for more Ada jobs is to have more open source Ada projects
> start.
> 
> This will make Ada become popular again, and will get more people
> interested in it, and eventually this will carry over to commerical
> work.


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Re: Ada Jobs

[rcarnesiii]

There are tons of Ada jobs in South Jersey, the main part of the air
traffic control system is being re-written and they're doing it in
probably 80% Ada, we're talking about several million lines of code at
least !

Re: Ada Jobs

[ben.place.usenet]

rcarnesiii wrote:
> There are tons of Ada jobs in South Jersey, the main part of the air
> traffic control system is being re-written and they're doing it in
> probably 80% Ada, we're talking about several million lines of code at
> least !

Where can one find these job listings?