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From: "Jay Nabonne" <jay@rightagain.com>
Subject: Re: Ada Idioms Progress Preview
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 11:42:01 -0700
Date: 2001-08-16T11:42:01-07:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZtUe7.1224$3T2.44851@news.pacbell.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 3B783712.88029BB8@worldnet.att.net


"James Rogers" <jimmaureenrogers@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:3B783712.88029BB8@worldnet.att.net...
> Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen wrote:
> >
> > One thing which can be said in favour of having a terminator character
> > is that it frees you from having to store the length explicitly. The
> > length of a string is usually different from the size of the array
> > used to store the string.
> > So, in a sense a C string is more self-describing than a plain Ada
> > string.
> > Of course, as soon as you call a procedure, you can use a slice, but
> > you still need the actual length to decide which slice.
> >
> > On the balance, I would rather have Ada strings.
>
> An old saying is "there is no free lunch". In other words, nothing
> comes for free. In the case of a C string, you do not explicitly
> carry around the length of a string. Instead, you rely on a convention
> stating that the logical end of the string is indicated by a null
> character.
>
> The C approach presents two very real costs:
>
> 1) You must serially read the string to find the terminating null
>    character. This operation is very expensive if you only need to
>    determine the length of the string.
>
> 2) Sometimes the null character is omitted. Since C arrays are
>    unbounded, this causes your program to read beyond the end of
>    the string until it finds a null character. The resulting
>    length will be incorrect. When copying or editing a string
>    this problem will result in data corruption and undefined
>    behaviors.
>
> Another less common cost occurs when copying C strings. The most
> efficient copy operation for C arrays is the memcpy function.
> This function allows you to copy blocks of memory efficiently.
> If you try to use memcpy to copy strings you will find some
> real problems. In those cases you want to copy the actual array
> of characters, not just the logical string contained in it.
> The problem is that the C sizeof operator does not report the
> correct size of arrays outside the immediate scope where they
> are declared. Instead you will only get the size of the pointer
> to the first element of the array. Therefore, to efficiently
> copy C strings using memcpy you must provide a second "length"
> argument, which may not be readily available.
>
> Jim Rogers
> Colorado Springs, Colorado USA

A third occasional cost:

3) Strings that need to have null characters in them. It doesn't happen too
often, but if (under MS Windows) you ever want to read printer information
(the old way) or pass filter strings (e.g. "*.adb") to a file dialog, you
have to go through contortions to get a "string" that works.

-Jay Nabonne







  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-08-16 18:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-08-03  4:16 Ada Idioms Progress Preview James Rogers
2001-08-03 19:45 ` Robert Dewar
2001-08-03 22:02   ` James Rogers
2001-08-06 22:33   ` Stanley R. Allen
2001-08-07  2:45     ` tmoran
2001-08-07 12:15       ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-08-07 13:26         ` Philip Anderson
2001-08-08  2:23         ` Robert Dewar
2001-08-08  5:58           ` Ehud Lamm
2001-08-08  2:19       ` Robert Dewar
2001-08-08 15:13         ` Ted Dennison
2001-08-08 18:03           ` tmoran
2001-08-09 20:36           ` Florian Weimer
2001-08-10 21:02         ` Jay Nabonne
2001-08-10 21:51           ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-08-13 14:19             ` Ted Dennison
2001-08-13 14:05           ` Ted Dennison
2001-08-13 14:19             ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-13 15:47             ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2001-08-13 16:22               ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-13 18:48               ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-08-14  7:05                 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2001-08-13 20:20               ` James Rogers
2001-08-14  1:09                 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2001-08-14  6:15                   ` James Rogers
2001-08-14 14:03                     ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2001-08-21  5:54                   ` C strings, was " David Thompson
2001-08-16 18:42                 ` Jay Nabonne [this message]
2001-08-17  1:25                   ` Robert Dewar
2001-08-13 21:47               ` Ted Dennison
2001-08-14  7:37                 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2001-08-14 14:59                   ` Ted Dennison
2001-08-14 13:22                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-14 15:12                   ` Ted Dennison
2001-08-14 15:33                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-14  8:49               ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-08-14  9:38                 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2001-08-14  9:54                   ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-08-14 14:51                     ` James Rogers
2001-08-14 16:44                   ` Darren New
2001-08-14  1:39             ` Slicing ( Ada Idioms Progress Preview ) Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
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