Re: The great Java showcase (re: 2nd historic mistake)

["Dennis Weldy" <nojunkmail@ever.com>]

 I would suggest this approach:
come up with a way to tie Eiffel to the Web. Were it not for the web, would
Java have such a large following?

Another query: is there an Eiffel compiler (EDK) which I can download?

Dennis


Paul Johnson wrote in article <5u61fk$e23$5@miranda.gmrc.gecm.com>...

>In article <34059D8A.3F3B7FA4@brightwood.com>, bretts@brightwood.com
says...
>>
>>Ell wrote:
>
>>Since everyone is trying to give me a technological history lesson,
>>let's examine that for a second.  Has Burger King's or Pepsi's efforts
>>to defame their #1 competitors been successful?  Last I checked, they
>>are both still very much #2.  So, what we learn from this is that when
>>the #2 tries to dethrone the #1 by directly attacking it, it doesn't
>>seem to work well.
>
>Avis did rather well with "we try harder".  I don't think you can read 
>too much into this.
>
>>Now, how about an example of superior technology that won out?  Take the
>>Japanese car manufacturers of the 80s.
>
>They were not competing in a standards war.
>
>Imagine that the Japanese cars, for some strange reason, had to be 
>right-hand-drive models whereas the US standard is left-hand-drive (I 
>do hope I've got that the right way round).  How many cars would they 
>have sold then?
>
>>I am interested in Java and play with it, but I am
>>certainly not so delusional as to think it has yet fully arrived, is
>>suitable for air traffic control systems, or will ever solve the world's
>>problems.
>
>Some people are not as enlightned as you.
>
>Also, I think you might forgive us some frustration.  Eiffel has been
>around now for over 10 years, but is still very much a minority language.
>Sun come along with Java, and suddenly it makes more progress in 1 year
than
>Eiffel has in its entire existence, despite being clearly inferior to
>Eiffel on every ground that Eiffel has ever been criticised on.  
>Aaarrrggghhhh.
>
>>Yet when Eiffel proponents denounce it as a toy or a sham,
>>they insinuate that those who use it are not intelligent enough to make
>>the proper choice. 
>
>So what do we do?  Shut up and be smug about how we know so much better?
>
>Java, I notice, is being hyped as an improvement on C++ (which it is).
>Why can't we hype Eiffel as an improvement on both?
>
>Paul.
>
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