* new GNAT @ 2006-06-14 11:45 Georg Bauhaus 2006-06-14 15:21 ` Anh Vo [not found] ` <a8e092df629v4da3ig07fa8e7vr0c7iirf@4ax.com> 0 siblings, 2 replies; 24+ messages in thread From: Georg Bauhaus @ 2006-06-14 11:45 UTC (permalink / raw) hi, a message has just been distributed to the AdaCore mailing list insiders that a new public edition of GNAT is available. The libre server is currently spitting few bytes/s only. Georg ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: new GNAT 2006-06-14 11:45 new GNAT Georg Bauhaus @ 2006-06-14 15:21 ` Anh Vo 2006-06-14 17:32 ` Anh Vo [not found] ` <a8e092df629v4da3ig07fa8e7vr0c7iirf@4ax.com> 1 sibling, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread From: Anh Vo @ 2006-06-14 15:21 UTC (permalink / raw) Georg Bauhaus wrote: > hi, a message has just been distributed to the AdaCore mailing > list insiders that a new public edition of GNAT is available. > The libre server is currently spitting few bytes/s only. It happens to me, too. AV ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: new GNAT 2006-06-14 15:21 ` Anh Vo @ 2006-06-14 17:32 ` Anh Vo 2006-06-14 18:27 ` Per Sandberg 0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread From: Anh Vo @ 2006-06-14 17:32 UTC (permalink / raw) Anh Vo wrote: > Georg Bauhaus wrote: > > hi, a message has just been distributed to the AdaCore mailing > > list insiders that a new public edition of GNAT is available. > > The libre server is currently spitting few bytes/s only. > > It happens to me, too. > > AV I just got in touch with Jamie Ayre of AdaCore. This problem is the result of so many people downloading it. Furthermore, AdaCore has increased the bandwidth. Obviously, it is not enough. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: new GNAT 2006-06-14 17:32 ` Anh Vo @ 2006-06-14 18:27 ` Per Sandberg 2006-06-14 19:34 ` Anh Vo 0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread From: Per Sandberg @ 2006-06-14 18:27 UTC (permalink / raw) Look on the bright side, a lot of people are interested in Ada. /Per Anh Vo wrote: > Anh Vo wrote: >> Georg Bauhaus wrote: >>> hi, a message has just been distributed to the AdaCore mailing >>> list insiders that a new public edition of GNAT is available. >>> The libre server is currently spitting few bytes/s only. >> It happens to me, too. >> >> AV > > I just got in touch with Jamie Ayre of AdaCore. This problem is the > result of so many people downloading it. Furthermore, AdaCore has > increased the bandwidth. Obviously, it is not enough. > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: new GNAT 2006-06-14 18:27 ` Per Sandberg @ 2006-06-14 19:34 ` Anh Vo 2006-06-14 20:02 ` Ludovic Brenta 0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread From: Anh Vo @ 2006-06-14 19:34 UTC (permalink / raw) You are absolutely right. For me I am very eager to get my hand on it as soon as possible since I have been expecting it for quite a while :-) Per Sandberg wrote: > Look on the bright side, a lot of people are interested in Ada. > /Per > > Anh Vo wrote: > > Anh Vo wrote: > >> Georg Bauhaus wrote: > >>> hi, a message has just been distributed to the AdaCore mailing > >>> list insiders that a new public edition of GNAT is available. > >>> The libre server is currently spitting few bytes/s only. > >> It happens to me, too. > >> > >> AV > > > > I just got in touch with Jamie Ayre of AdaCore. This problem is the > > result of so many people downloading it. Furthermore, AdaCore has > > increased the bandwidth. Obviously, it is not enough. > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: new GNAT 2006-06-14 19:34 ` Anh Vo @ 2006-06-14 20:02 ` Ludovic Brenta 2006-06-14 22:36 ` Anh Vo 2006-06-14 23:46 ` Georg Bauhaus 0 siblings, 2 replies; 24+ messages in thread From: Ludovic Brenta @ 2006-06-14 20:02 UTC (permalink / raw) Anh Vo writes: > You are absolutely right. For me I am very eager to get my hand on it > as soon as possible since I have been expecting it for quite a while > :-) But it only includes GPS 3.1.3, and I've seen you report problems with 4.0.0w which you get from CVS :) Georg, you should not have advertised the new release so widely... just yet :) -- Ludovic Brenta. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: new GNAT 2006-06-14 20:02 ` Ludovic Brenta @ 2006-06-14 22:36 ` Anh Vo 2006-06-14 23:46 ` Georg Bauhaus 1 sibling, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread From: Anh Vo @ 2006-06-14 22:36 UTC (permalink / raw) Ludovic Brenta wrote: > Anh Vo writes: > > You are absolutely right. For me I am very eager to get my hand on it > > as soon as possible since I have been expecting it for quite a while > > :-) > > But it only includes GPS 3.1.3, and I've seen you report problems with > 4.0.0w which you get from CVS :) > > Georg, you should not have advertised the new release so > widely... just yet :) GNAT is the one I am after. Furthermore, I can live with older version of GPS. AV ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: new GNAT 2006-06-14 20:02 ` Ludovic Brenta 2006-06-14 22:36 ` Anh Vo @ 2006-06-14 23:46 ` Georg Bauhaus 2006-06-15 5:27 ` Ludovic Brenta 1 sibling, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread From: Georg Bauhaus @ 2006-06-14 23:46 UTC (permalink / raw) On Wed, 2006-06-14 at 22:02 +0200, Ludovic Brenta wrote: > Georg, you should not have advertised the new release so > widely... just yet :) That may have been the intent of the warning of bytes/s dropping from libre. Or to mention that they no longer announce on usenet. Or maybe to see whether their web server meets typical Ada requirements under heavy load. Who knows whether behind the Apache some AWS is serving tars? PHP, hmmm. Ah, and the server is run on FreeBSD, so that could mean they have an up-to-date GNAT for FreeBSD. Maybe not. Rush hour effects :-) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: new GNAT 2006-06-14 23:46 ` Georg Bauhaus @ 2006-06-15 5:27 ` Ludovic Brenta 2006-06-15 7:15 ` Ludovic Brenta 2006-06-15 7:39 ` Ludovic Brenta 0 siblings, 2 replies; 24+ messages in thread From: Ludovic Brenta @ 2006-06-15 5:27 UTC (permalink / raw) Georg Bauhaus <bauhaus@futureapps.de> writes: > On Wed, 2006-06-14 at 22:02 +0200, Ludovic Brenta wrote: > >> Georg, you should not have advertised the new release so >> widely... just yet :) > > That may have been the intent of the warning of bytes/s dropping > from libre. Or to mention that they no longer announce on usenet. > > Or maybe to see whether their web server meets typical > Ada requirements under heavy load. Who knows whether behind > the Apache some AWS is serving tars? PHP, hmmm. Ah, > and the server is run on FreeBSD, so that could mean they have > an up-to-date GNAT for FreeBSD. Maybe not. > > Rush hour effects :-) Yes, it is AWS, Thomas Quinot said that to me at FOSDEM. -- Ludovic Brenta. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: new GNAT 2006-06-15 5:27 ` Ludovic Brenta @ 2006-06-15 7:15 ` Ludovic Brenta 2006-06-15 7:39 ` Ludovic Brenta 1 sibling, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread From: Ludovic Brenta @ 2006-06-15 7:15 UTC (permalink / raw) I wrote: > Yes, it is AWS, Thomas Quinot said that to me at FOSDEM. Or maybe I'm confused and it is only the GNAT Tracket that is made with AWS. I'm not sure anymore. -- Ludovic Brenta. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: new GNAT 2006-06-15 5:27 ` Ludovic Brenta 2006-06-15 7:15 ` Ludovic Brenta @ 2006-06-15 7:39 ` Ludovic Brenta 1 sibling, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread From: Ludovic Brenta @ 2006-06-15 7:39 UTC (permalink / raw) I wrote: > Yes, it is AWS, Thomas Quinot said that to me at FOSDEM. Or maybe I'm confused and it is only the GNAT Tracket that is made with AWS. I'm not sure anymore. -- Ludovic Brenta. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
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* Re: new GNAT [not found] ` <a8e092df629v4da3ig07fa8e7vr0c7iirf@4ax.com> @ 2006-06-14 17:06 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [not found] ` <ibi0921i9olrssor0u27uee9pd8r5s6r8r@4ax.com> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread From: Dmitry A. Kazakov @ 2006-06-14 17:06 UTC (permalink / raw) On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:51:31 GMT, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: > On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:45:48 +0200, Georg Bauhaus > <bauhaus@futureapps.de> declaimed the following in comp.lang.ada: > >> The libre server is currently spitting few bytes/s only. >> > You had to remind me, didn't you... The download manager in Firefox > is claiming 8.5KB/sec, but I don't believe that... I almost believe the > 3hour remaining download time estimate... Could anybody mirror it? -- Regards, Dmitry A. Kazakov http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
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* Re: new GNAT [not found] ` <ibi0921i9olrssor0u27uee9pd8r5s6r8r@4ax.com> @ 2006-06-14 20:51 ` Vincent Smeets 2006-06-14 22:48 ` Björn Persson 0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread From: Vincent Smeets @ 2006-06-14 20:51 UTC (permalink / raw) Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: > On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 19:06:22 +0200, "Dmitry A. Kazakov" > <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> declaimed the following in comp.lang.ada: > > >>Could anybody mirror it? > > > Probably not easily... Given that AdaCore wants a registered user to > get to the download page... and then the download is a customized TAR > file based upon what parts a user selects to have downloaded -- rather > than individual downloads for each item. > > <2 hours to go> You do not have to select the components and download everything as a tar file. On the page where you select the components for the tar file, you can just click on the separate filenames. They are all hyperlinked. This way, you can download every file separately. I do not think that for every download a tar file is created and made available for download. They just transmit a tar-header in front of every selected file, then send the file itself and at the end an tar-trailer. That looks to the client (us) as one big tar file. I can't (and will not) give a way around the user registration. In case AdaCore requires a registrated user for every download, then we should accept that. If someone wants to mirror the AdaCore software, then he should contact AdaCore about the conditions and possibilities. Regards, Vincent Smeets ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: new GNAT 2006-06-14 20:51 ` Vincent Smeets @ 2006-06-14 22:48 ` Björn Persson 2006-06-15 7:19 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 24+ messages in thread From: Björn Persson @ 2006-06-14 22:48 UTC (permalink / raw) Vincent Smeets wrote: > If someone wants to mirror the AdaCore software, then he > should contact AdaCore about the conditions and possibilities. There's no need to contact them about that. The conditions for redistribution are stated very clearly in the General Public License. -- Bj�rn Persson PGP key A88682FD omb jor ers @sv ge. r o.b n.p son eri nu ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: new GNAT 2006-06-14 22:48 ` Björn Persson @ 2006-06-15 7:19 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov 2006-06-15 18:51 ` M E Leypold 2006-06-23 7:18 ` Martin Krischik 2 siblings, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread From: Dmitry A. Kazakov @ 2006-06-15 7:19 UTC (permalink / raw) On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 22:48:25 GMT, Bj�rn Persson wrote: > Vincent Smeets wrote: >> If someone wants to mirror the AdaCore software, then he >> should contact AdaCore about the conditions and possibilities. > > There's no need to contact them about that. The conditions for > redistribution are stated very clearly in the General Public License. After all, I suppose, there isn't that many Ada users over the world. I bet AdaCore knows about most of us. (:-)) -- Regards, Dmitry A. Kazakov http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: new GNAT 2006-06-14 22:48 ` Björn Persson 2006-06-15 7:19 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov @ 2006-06-15 18:51 ` M E Leypold 2006-06-23 7:18 ` Martin Krischik 2 siblings, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread From: M E Leypold @ 2006-06-15 18:51 UTC (permalink / raw) Bj�rn Persson <spam-away@nowhere.nil> writes: > Vincent Smeets wrote: > > If someone wants to mirror the AdaCore software, then he should > > contact AdaCore about the conditions and possibilities. > > There's no need to contact them about that. The conditions for > redistribution are stated very clearly in the General Public License. I also thought so. But what really confuses me is the statement in the FreeBSD ports description: "Because of licensing and registration restrictions, you must fetch the\n source distribution manually. Please access http://libre.adacore.com/\n with a web browser, register (it's free), and log in (...)" Somebody is mightily confused there. Regards - Markus ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: new GNAT 2006-06-14 22:48 ` Björn Persson 2006-06-15 7:19 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov 2006-06-15 18:51 ` M E Leypold @ 2006-06-23 7:18 ` Martin Krischik 2006-06-23 9:06 ` M E Leypold 2006-06-23 10:52 ` Björn Persson 2 siblings, 2 replies; 24+ messages in thread From: Martin Krischik @ 2006-06-23 7:18 UTC (permalink / raw) Bjï¿œrn Persson wrote: > Vincent Smeets wrote: >> If someone wants to mirror the AdaCore software, then he >> should contact AdaCore about the conditions and possibilities. > > There's no need to contact them about that. The conditions for > redistribution are stated very clearly in the General Public License. But does the GPL apply only to the source packages and binaries you have created yourself? Martin -- mailto://krischik@users.sourceforge.net Ada programming at: http://ada.krischik.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: new GNAT 2006-06-23 7:18 ` Martin Krischik @ 2006-06-23 9:06 ` M E Leypold 2006-06-24 11:35 ` Jeffrey Creem 2006-06-23 10:52 ` Björn Persson 1 sibling, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread From: M E Leypold @ 2006-06-23 9:06 UTC (permalink / raw) Martin Krischik <krischik@users.sourceforge.net> writes: > Bj�rn Persson wrote: > > > Vincent Smeets wrote: > >> If someone wants to mirror the AdaCore software, then he > >> should contact AdaCore about the conditions and possibilities. Well, the libre site says: The GNAT GPL Edition is free of charge and requires a brief sign-up process. (FUD: The software doesn't require that. ACT requires it for the service to download GPL GNAT, but the software doesn't. A pity that the FreeBSD gnat maintainers fell for it and _didn't_ include GNAT source in the free bsd port port, thus making the process to install the port rather manual and painful). The GNAT GPL Edition is licensed for Free Software development and is subject to the terms of the GNU General Public License (GPL). For questions contact us at gnat-gpl@adacore.com and read the GPL FAQ. Which should be enough concerning the conditions and possibilities. :-] > > There's no need to contact them about that. The conditions for > > redistribution are stated very clearly in the General Public License. > > But does the GPL apply only to the source packages and binaries you have > created yourself? No. It applies to the stuff distributed by ACT. IANAL but AFAIK everybody could just mirror the files from ACT. I wouldn't recommend it though, since in the GNAT-2006 release they have stripped the linking exception from the source files even if they didn't change anything (or hardly anything, see florist as an example). One is probably better off distributing florist-3.15p than the florist-gpl-2006 from the ACT site. Regards -- Markus ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: new GNAT 2006-06-23 9:06 ` M E Leypold @ 2006-06-24 11:35 ` Jeffrey Creem 2006-06-24 12:45 ` M E Leypold 0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread From: Jeffrey Creem @ 2006-06-24 11:35 UTC (permalink / raw) M E Leypold wrote: > > No. It applies to the stuff distributed by ACT. IANAL but AFAIK > everybody could just mirror the files from ACT. I wouldn't recommend > it though, since in the GNAT-2006 release they have stripped the > linking exception from the source files even if they didn't change > anything (or hardly anything, see florist as an example). One is > probably better off distributing florist-3.15p than the > florist-gpl-2006 from the ACT site. > > > Regards -- Markus > Or, one can use the florist from gnuada.sf.net. This is based on the last 3.15p florist with updates to keep it compiling with recent versions of GCC from the FSF tree. The updates (at least the ones I did) were not done by backporting the GPL version but were just done by looking at why the files did not compile and looking at the recent GCC sources. Of course, given the lack of a complete test suite, it is certainly still possible that this was done incorrectly..... But it is another option if you can't go full GPL but aren't doing something that is real enough to require a GNATPro release. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: new GNAT 2006-06-24 11:35 ` Jeffrey Creem @ 2006-06-24 12:45 ` M E Leypold 0 siblings, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread From: M E Leypold @ 2006-06-24 12:45 UTC (permalink / raw) Jeffrey Creem <jeff@thecreems.com> writes: > M E Leypold wrote: > > > No. It applies to the stuff distributed by ACT. IANAL but AFAIK > > everybody could just mirror the files from ACT. I wouldn't recommend > > it though, since in the GNAT-2006 release they have stripped the > > linking exception from the source files even if they didn't change > > anything (or hardly anything, see florist as an example). One is > > probably better off distributing florist-3.15p than the > > florist-gpl-2006 from the ACT site. > > Regards -- Markus > > > > Or, one can use the florist from gnuada.sf.net. This is based on the Exactly my point. Why mirror the GPL-forced version with minor functionality patches if one can have the GMPGPLed version. > last 3.15p florist with updates to keep it compiling with recent Hm. I see 3.15p source only. Are the updates in CVS? > Of course, given the lack of a complete test suite, it is certainly What about the suite at http://www.cs.fsu.edu/~baker/florist.html? Regards -- Markus ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: new GNAT 2006-06-23 7:18 ` Martin Krischik 2006-06-23 9:06 ` M E Leypold @ 2006-06-23 10:52 ` Björn Persson 2006-06-23 20:07 ` Martin Krischik 1 sibling, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread From: Björn Persson @ 2006-06-23 10:52 UTC (permalink / raw) Martin Krischik wrote: > But does the GPL apply only to the source packages and binaries you have > created yourself? I'll have to ask you to rephrase that question. Whichever way I interpret it I'm pretty sure you know the answer already, so obviously I don't understand what you're after. Anyway, how the GPL applies to what I've created isn't relevant to mirroring. -- Bjï¿œrn Persson PGP key A88682FD omb jor ers @sv ge. r o.b n.p son eri nu ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: new GNAT 2006-06-23 10:52 ` Björn Persson @ 2006-06-23 20:07 ` Martin Krischik 2006-06-24 10:58 ` M E Leypold 2006-06-24 14:28 ` Björn Persson 0 siblings, 2 replies; 24+ messages in thread From: Martin Krischik @ 2006-06-23 20:07 UTC (permalink / raw) Bjï¿œrn Persson wrote: > Martin Krischik wrote: >> But does the GPL apply only to the source packages and binaries you have >> created yourself? > > I'll have to ask you to rephrase that question. Whichever way I > interpret it I'm pretty sure you know the answer already, so obviously I > don't understand what you're after. Anyway, how the GPL applies to what > I've created isn't relevant to mirroring. At libre there are both binary and source distributions. Now to say it the other way round: I belive it is quite possible to disallow mirroring the binary distribution created from GPL sources. Martin -- mailto://krischik@users.sourceforge.net Ada programming at: http://ada.krischik.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: new GNAT 2006-06-23 20:07 ` Martin Krischik @ 2006-06-24 10:58 ` M E Leypold 2006-06-24 14:28 ` Björn Persson 1 sibling, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread From: M E Leypold @ 2006-06-24 10:58 UTC (permalink / raw) Martin Krischik <krischik@users.sourceforge.net> writes: > Bj�rn Persson wrote: > > > Martin Krischik wrote: > > >> But does the GPL apply only to the source packages and binaries you have > >> created yourself? > > > > I'll have to ask you to rephrase that question. Whichever way I > > interpret it I'm pretty sure you know the answer already, so obviously I > > don't understand what you're after. Anyway, how the GPL applies to what > > I've created isn't relevant to mirroring. > > At libre there are both binary and source distributions. Now to say it the > other way round: I belive it is quite possible to disallow mirroring the > binary distribution created from GPL sources. I don't think so. ACT distributed the files to me under the GPL and the GPL says "You may copy and distribute the Program (or a work based on it, under Section 2) in object code or executable form under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above provided that you also do one of the following (...)" On should note, that there are actually (in my reading) two "works" that must be distinguised here: The sources (which is one work) and the the excutables which are a derived work (derived from the sources) but which per GPL must be accompanied by the sources. IANAL, IANAL, IANAL. Regards -- Markus ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: new GNAT 2006-06-23 20:07 ` Martin Krischik 2006-06-24 10:58 ` M E Leypold @ 2006-06-24 14:28 ` Björn Persson 1 sibling, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread From: Björn Persson @ 2006-06-24 14:28 UTC (permalink / raw) Martin Krischik wrote: > I belive it is quite possible to disallow mirroring the > binary distribution created from GPL sources. I don't see how that would be possible. The GPL applies to the binary code too, and it was very carefully written to make sure that you can always give out what you have received. Well, okay, you're not allowed to mirror *only* binaries. If you offer binaries then you have to offer source code as well. -- Bjï¿œrn Persson PGP key A88682FD omb jor ers @sv ge. r o.b n.p son eri nu ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
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