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From: Warren <ve3wwg@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Properties
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 14:37:02 +0000 (UTC)
Date: 2010-12-07T14:37:02+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Xns9E4761D4EEA36WarrensBlatherings@81.169.183.62> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 923f0664-890d-4ca9-9b34-2da64067b068@21g2000prv.googlegroups.com

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Shark8 expounded in
news:923f0664-890d-4ca9-9b34-2da64067b068@21g2000prv.googlegro
ups.com: 

>> > I defiantly agree with the Hungarian notation.
>>
>> <tossed cookies> followed by <dry heaves>
>>
>> The type declaration carrys the type information. It does
>> NOT belong in the name (of the variable). �It creates a �
>> maintenance nightmare also -- change the type and all
>> instances of the name must be changed. �
>>
>> BLECH.
> 
> Eh, my mistake, I meant to say "I defiantly agree with you
> on the Hungarian notation."

Ah, ok... you're forgiven. ;-)

>> That is something different. A "file" is a perfectly
>> generic container of information. Do you want to allow
>> your software to decide the format? Or would you prefer
>> the OS to do it instead? �Something must decide.
> 
> Er, I think you misunderstand what I mean by "typed files"
> very often "the software" does NOT & should NOT decide the
> format; if that were the case then "the software" could say
> "my HTML file writer doesn't need ending tags!" or "I don't
> need to write the header for an .ICO file!" which misses
> the whole point of having a specified standard. 
> 
> IOW, the type of a file, having some definition, SHOULD
> ensure that the file has the correct layout... like Access
> ensures that our "pointer" *IS* to a variable of the
> specified type. 

I guess, I don't understand your point. The software creating 
the "content" is doing it in a format, which often varies 
record by record, even in binary (yours is a text example).

> Just because everything copies the thinking neither means
> that the thinking is correct or useful. (Though it doesn't
> mean that it's wrong or useless either.)

Agreed, but you have ask why this is "successful". Usually, 
there are good reasons for it.  Then again, C/C++ is a bad 
counter example. ;-)

Warren



  reply	other threads:[~2010-12-07 14:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-11-28  3:21 Properties Shark8
2010-11-28  8:15 ` Properties Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-11-28 19:43   ` Properties Shark8
2010-11-29  8:34     ` Properties Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-12-01 18:15       ` Properties Shark8
2010-11-28 12:37 ` Properties Georg Bauhaus
2010-11-28 21:22   ` Properties Shark8
2010-11-29 16:54     ` Properties Georg Bauhaus
2010-12-01 19:52   ` Properties Martin Krischik
2010-12-01 23:24     ` Properties Georg Bauhaus
2010-12-05 16:15       ` (placepo) Properties Martin Krischik
2010-12-06 23:24         ` Shark8
2010-12-01 23:31     ` Properties Georg Bauhaus
2010-11-30  1:49 ` Properties Randy Brukardt
2010-11-30 16:58   ` Properties Charmed Snark
2010-11-30 17:22     ` Properties Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-11-30 20:27       ` Properties Warren
2010-12-01  8:39         ` Properties Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-12-01 15:21           ` Properties Warren
2010-12-01 15:59             ` Properties Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-12-01 16:20               ` Properties Warren
2010-12-01 18:22                 ` Properties Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-12-01 19:36                   ` Properties Shark8
2010-12-01 21:13                     ` Properties Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-12-01 21:35                   ` Properties Maciej Sobczak
2010-12-01 21:45                     ` Properties Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-12-02  9:57                       ` Properties Maciej Sobczak
2010-12-02 10:26                         ` Properties Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-12-02 15:25                           ` Properties Maciej Sobczak
2010-12-02 15:46                             ` Properties Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-12-02 21:11                               ` Properties Maciej Sobczak
2010-12-02 22:19                                 ` Properties Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-12-03  4:43                                 ` Properties Randy Brukardt
2010-12-03 13:53                                   ` Properties Maciej Sobczak
2010-12-03 21:32                                     ` Properties Randy Brukardt
2010-12-04 22:13                                       ` Properties Maciej Sobczak
2010-12-06 23:30                                         ` Properties Shark8
2010-12-06 23:33                                         ` Properties Randy Brukardt
2010-12-04 17:43                           ` Properties Simon Wright
2010-12-04 20:48                             ` Properties Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-12-04 22:27                               ` Properties Simon Wright
2010-12-04 22:31                                 ` Properties Vinzent Hoefler
2010-12-03  4:24                         ` Properties Randy Brukardt
2010-12-03  5:00                         ` Properties Shark8
2010-12-03 21:10                           ` Properties Randy Brukardt
2010-12-03 23:34                           ` Properties Jeffrey Carter
2010-12-06  6:02                             ` Properties Brad Moore
2010-12-06 23:25                               ` Properties Shark8
2010-12-01 19:48                 ` Properties Randy Brukardt
2010-12-01 21:10                   ` Properties Warren
2010-12-02  0:03                     ` Properties Shark8
2010-12-02 16:45                       ` Properties Warren
2010-12-02 17:32                         ` Properties Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-12-02 20:45                           ` Properties Warren
2010-12-02 21:17                             ` Properties Adam Beneschan
2010-12-02 21:40                               ` Properties Warren
2010-12-03  3:34                             ` Properties Shark8
2010-12-03  8:16                               ` Properties Thomas Løcke
2010-12-02 20:52                           ` Properties Pascal Obry
2010-12-02 19:46                         ` Properties Adam Beneschan
2010-12-02 20:38                           ` Properties Warren
2010-12-02 21:39                             ` Properties Jeffrey Carter
2010-12-02 21:55                               ` Properties Warren
2010-12-03  9:33                               ` Properties Anonymous
2010-12-03  3:47                           ` Properties Shark8
2010-12-03  0:09                         ` Properties Robert A Duff
2010-12-03 15:49                           ` Properties Warren
2010-12-03 20:07                             ` Properties Shark8
2010-12-06 21:01                               ` Properties Warren
2010-12-06 23:22                                 ` Properties Shark8
2010-12-07 14:37                                   ` Warren [this message]
2010-12-08 21:13                                   ` Properties Simon Wright
2010-12-09  1:21                                     ` Properties Shark8
2010-12-06 23:43                                 ` Properties Randy Brukardt
2010-12-07  0:56                                   ` Properties Jeffrey Carter
2010-12-07 11:23                                   ` Properties Maciej Sobczak
2010-12-07 11:51                                     ` Properties Georg Bauhaus
2010-12-07 15:35                                       ` Properties Maciej Sobczak
2010-12-07 17:02                                         ` Properties Georg Bauhaus
2010-12-07 14:39                                   ` Properties Warren
2010-12-03 15:40                         ` Properties Warren
2010-12-03 19:56                           ` Properties Shark8
2010-12-03 20:12                             ` Properties Warren
2010-12-03  5:53               ` Properties Shark8
2010-12-03  9:05                 ` Properties Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-12-03 19:52                   ` Properties Shark8
2010-12-03 21:14                     ` Properties Randy Brukardt
2010-12-04  5:35                       ` Properties Shark8
2010-12-04 14:23                         ` Properties Peter C. Chapin
2010-12-04 18:53                           ` Properties Shark8
2010-12-13 15:10                       ` Properties Brian Drummond
2010-12-03 22:38                     ` Properties Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-12-04  3:12                       ` Properties Shark8
2010-12-04 13:19                     ` Properties Georg Bauhaus
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2010-12-04 19:53 Properties Shark8
2010-12-04 23:27 ` Properties Thomas Løcke
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