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From: Warren <ve3wwg@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Properties
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 21:40:23 +0000 (UTC)
Date: 2010-12-02T21:40:23+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Xns9E42A99B5FC48WarrensBlatherings@85.214.73.210> (raw)
In-Reply-To: a66255f6-d39b-4017-b89a-5bbc901649ec@m20g2000prc.googlegroups.com

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Adam Beneschan expounded in
news:a66255f6-d39b-4017-b89a-5bbc901649ec@m20g2000prc.googlegr
oups.com: 

> On Dec 2, 12:45�pm, Warren <ve3...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> It's like the pianist who hates guitar- now instead of
>> playing a certain pitched G note in one place on the
>> keyboard, he hates the fact that there is now multiple
>> choice on the guitar. But those who've taken the time to
>> learn guitar, see this as a feature.
> 
> I understand what you're trying to get at, but the analogy
> seems really strained.  As someone who started on piano and
> then took up cello later, 

The cello is a somewhat different. You're not playing more 
than one or two strings at a time. On a 6-string, you may be 
playing all 6, though 3-4 are often enough for many chords.

> ...  I'm sure it's pretty much the same way on
> guitar.  It would strike me as odd for a pianist to "hate"
> guitar because of that, 

It's not when you're playing guitar from "standard notation" 
(aka "piano notation"). The particular fret and string you 
choose for that higher G, depends a lot on the context of what 
is currently being played and where on the neck your hand is.

On a keyboard, that G note (of a particular) pitch is only 
played from one key, ever.  This is much simpler than the 
split second thinking about (as you play):

- Is that string I normally play it on, already fretted for 
another simultaneous note? 

- Is that alternative practical for the fretting hand given 
the other notes that must be fretted (i.e. can I reach it)?

Sure, with experience it starts to become second nature, but 
this is one of the main reasons that guitarists hate "standard 
notation". Many (most?), never learn to play from it (they use 
TAB instead).

TAB is another matter entirely-- it is the compiled machine 
language to guitar performance by comparison. The fretting has 
already been worked out for you in TAB. TAB is to guitar, what 
standard notation is to keyboards.

Agreed, the analogy is perhaps strained. 

The thrust of my point is simply that under Unix, it is often 
said that there are "several ways to skin a cat".

-- No offense to cat lovers, which include my wife.

A plethora of choice, complicates.

Warren



  reply	other threads:[~2010-12-02 21:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-11-28  3:21 Properties Shark8
2010-11-28  8:15 ` Properties Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-11-28 19:43   ` Properties Shark8
2010-11-29  8:34     ` Properties Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-12-01 18:15       ` Properties Shark8
2010-11-28 12:37 ` Properties Georg Bauhaus
2010-11-28 21:22   ` Properties Shark8
2010-11-29 16:54     ` Properties Georg Bauhaus
2010-12-01 19:52   ` Properties Martin Krischik
2010-12-01 23:24     ` Properties Georg Bauhaus
2010-12-05 16:15       ` (placepo) Properties Martin Krischik
2010-12-06 23:24         ` Shark8
2010-12-01 23:31     ` Properties Georg Bauhaus
2010-11-30  1:49 ` Properties Randy Brukardt
2010-11-30 16:58   ` Properties Charmed Snark
2010-11-30 17:22     ` Properties Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-11-30 20:27       ` Properties Warren
2010-12-01  8:39         ` Properties Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-12-01 15:21           ` Properties Warren
2010-12-01 15:59             ` Properties Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-12-01 16:20               ` Properties Warren
2010-12-01 18:22                 ` Properties Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-12-01 19:36                   ` Properties Shark8
2010-12-01 21:13                     ` Properties Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-12-01 21:35                   ` Properties Maciej Sobczak
2010-12-01 21:45                     ` Properties Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-12-02  9:57                       ` Properties Maciej Sobczak
2010-12-02 10:26                         ` Properties Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-12-02 15:25                           ` Properties Maciej Sobczak
2010-12-02 15:46                             ` Properties Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-12-02 21:11                               ` Properties Maciej Sobczak
2010-12-02 22:19                                 ` Properties Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-12-03  4:43                                 ` Properties Randy Brukardt
2010-12-03 13:53                                   ` Properties Maciej Sobczak
2010-12-03 21:32                                     ` Properties Randy Brukardt
2010-12-04 22:13                                       ` Properties Maciej Sobczak
2010-12-06 23:30                                         ` Properties Shark8
2010-12-06 23:33                                         ` Properties Randy Brukardt
2010-12-04 17:43                           ` Properties Simon Wright
2010-12-04 20:48                             ` Properties Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-12-04 22:27                               ` Properties Simon Wright
2010-12-04 22:31                                 ` Properties Vinzent Hoefler
2010-12-03  4:24                         ` Properties Randy Brukardt
2010-12-03  5:00                         ` Properties Shark8
2010-12-03 21:10                           ` Properties Randy Brukardt
2010-12-03 23:34                           ` Properties Jeffrey Carter
2010-12-06  6:02                             ` Properties Brad Moore
2010-12-06 23:25                               ` Properties Shark8
2010-12-01 19:48                 ` Properties Randy Brukardt
2010-12-01 21:10                   ` Properties Warren
2010-12-02  0:03                     ` Properties Shark8
2010-12-02 16:45                       ` Properties Warren
2010-12-02 17:32                         ` Properties Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-12-02 20:45                           ` Properties Warren
2010-12-02 21:17                             ` Properties Adam Beneschan
2010-12-02 21:40                               ` Warren [this message]
2010-12-03  3:34                             ` Properties Shark8
2010-12-03  8:16                               ` Properties Thomas Løcke
2010-12-02 20:52                           ` Properties Pascal Obry
2010-12-02 19:46                         ` Properties Adam Beneschan
2010-12-02 20:38                           ` Properties Warren
2010-12-02 21:39                             ` Properties Jeffrey Carter
2010-12-02 21:55                               ` Properties Warren
2010-12-03  9:33                               ` Properties Anonymous
2010-12-03  3:47                           ` Properties Shark8
2010-12-03  0:09                         ` Properties Robert A Duff
2010-12-03 15:49                           ` Properties Warren
2010-12-03 20:07                             ` Properties Shark8
2010-12-06 21:01                               ` Properties Warren
2010-12-06 23:22                                 ` Properties Shark8
2010-12-07 14:37                                   ` Properties Warren
2010-12-08 21:13                                   ` Properties Simon Wright
2010-12-09  1:21                                     ` Properties Shark8
2010-12-06 23:43                                 ` Properties Randy Brukardt
2010-12-07  0:56                                   ` Properties Jeffrey Carter
2010-12-07 11:23                                   ` Properties Maciej Sobczak
2010-12-07 11:51                                     ` Properties Georg Bauhaus
2010-12-07 15:35                                       ` Properties Maciej Sobczak
2010-12-07 17:02                                         ` Properties Georg Bauhaus
2010-12-07 14:39                                   ` Properties Warren
2010-12-03 15:40                         ` Properties Warren
2010-12-03 19:56                           ` Properties Shark8
2010-12-03 20:12                             ` Properties Warren
2010-12-03  5:53               ` Properties Shark8
2010-12-03  9:05                 ` Properties Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-12-03 19:52                   ` Properties Shark8
2010-12-03 21:14                     ` Properties Randy Brukardt
2010-12-04  5:35                       ` Properties Shark8
2010-12-04 14:23                         ` Properties Peter C. Chapin
2010-12-04 18:53                           ` Properties Shark8
2010-12-13 15:10                       ` Properties Brian Drummond
2010-12-03 22:38                     ` Properties Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-12-04  3:12                       ` Properties Shark8
2010-12-04 13:19                     ` Properties Georg Bauhaus
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2010-12-04 19:53 Properties Shark8
2010-12-04 23:27 ` Properties Thomas Løcke
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