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From: Warren <ve3wwg@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Advice on selling Ada to a C shop
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 14:40:58 +0000 (UTC)
Date: 2010-06-21T14:40:58+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Xns9D9E6CAC4EEWarrensBlatherings@188.40.43.230> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 2bb211f057648e4d892829e5ee79e34c@mixmaster.it

George Orwell expounded in
news:2bb211f057648e4d892829e5ee79e34c@mixmaster.it: 

>> So, I think the proper approach is to debunk their irrational fears
>> of Ada and expose the real cost of bugs in the C software, which they
>> have been ignoring up to now.  Show them that no, C is not "good
>> enough". 
> 
> I'm going to continue to play the devil's advocate only because I was
> recently involved in a debacle along these lines.
> 
> Whatever they have is good enough. There are very few companies today,
> even software companies, that have not decided bugs, even serious
> bugs, are just a fact of life. They accept they're going to anger or
> even lose some percent of customers, but this is factored in to their
> financial plans. Quality no longer matters, what matters is how much
> money we can soak you for this quarter and how long we can get away
> with it. 

I think you are generally right, until you get to "Quality
no longer matters". I think it usually _does_ matter, but as
you say, they've come to accept bugs as "normal".  A quality
product is still the goal from semi-honest companies. Certainly
from a competitive pov.

> A lot of this has come from the poor quality of PC software (Windows)
> .... All the big companies are moving to offshore

Sad but seemingly true. Worse than that, the programmer is no
longer "needed". Business is always saying "we can do that
ourselves" after they do a few weeks of night school 
on VB and Access.   Eventually, something big goes wrong,
and it all gets swept under a carpet (perhaps after a
dismissal somewhere).

Warren



  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-06-21 14:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-06-19 23:01 Advice on selling Ada to a C shop usenet
2010-06-20  6:17 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2010-06-20  6:24 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2010-06-21 14:07   ` Warren
2010-06-20  7:00 ` J-P. Rosen
2010-06-20  7:40   ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2010-06-20 12:46     ` Peter C. Chapin
2010-06-21 14:23       ` Warren
2010-06-25 17:34         ` Marco
2010-06-28 13:22           ` Warren
2010-06-29  8:42             ` Stephen Leake
2010-07-01 21:09               ` Per Sandberg
2010-08-21  3:53               ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-08-21  9:22                 ` Ludovic Brenta
2010-08-21 10:10                   ` Simon Wright
2010-08-22  0:16                   ` Brian Drummond
2010-06-20  9:34 ` Ludovic Brenta
2010-06-20 12:35   ` Peter C. Chapin
2010-06-20 17:44   ` Fritz Wuehler
2010-06-20 18:06     ` Ludovic Brenta
2010-06-20 21:13       ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-06-21  0:29         ` Ludovic Brenta
2010-06-21  1:14           ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2010-06-21  8:10             ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-06-24  0:04             ` BrianG
2010-06-28 13:37               ` Warren
2010-06-21  8:14           ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-06-21  9:22           ` George Orwell
2010-06-21 13:59             ` Ludovic Brenta
2010-08-21  4:28               ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-08-21  9:21                 ` Ludovic Brenta
2010-08-21 11:06                 ` Brian Drummond
2010-06-21 14:40             ` Warren [this message]
2010-06-21 17:38               ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2010-06-21 20:04                 ` Warren
2010-06-21 19:47               ` starwars
2010-06-21 20:07                 ` Warren
2010-06-21 14:33           ` Warren
2010-06-21 14:29       ` Warren
2010-06-22  5:01         ` Fritz Wuehler
2010-08-21  4:11     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-08-21  9:01       ` Pascal Obry
2010-08-21  9:24       ` Ludovic Brenta
2010-06-21  8:29 ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-06-21  9:58   ` Ludovic Brenta
2010-06-23 15:36   ` Brian Drummond
2010-06-21 13:43 ` Warren
2010-06-22 15:00 ` Lucretia
2010-06-22 18:01   ` anon
2010-06-22 19:06     ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2010-06-23 16:20       ` anon
2010-06-23 18:19         ` (see below)
2010-06-23 22:28           ` Brian Drummond
2010-06-23 19:57         ` Peter C. Chapin
2010-06-23 20:50           ` Adam Beneschan
2010-06-23 21:24             ` Robert A Duff
2010-06-29 20:30             ` Randy Brukardt
2010-06-29 20:35               ` Adam Beneschan
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2010-07-01 11:32                 ` Stephen Leake
2010-06-23 21:33           ` Robert A Duff
2010-06-24 17:25             ` anon
2010-06-24 22:18               ` Adam Beneschan
2010-06-24  7:48           ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-06-24 17:24             ` anon
2010-06-24 19:34               ` Maciej Sobczak
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2010-07-06  5:37       ` David Thompson
2010-07-06 11:14         ` anon
2010-07-09 13:21           ` Marco
2010-07-09 13:45             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-07-09 14:12               ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-07-09 15:08                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-22 18:06 ` Phil Clayton
2010-06-22 20:25   ` Gautier write-only
2010-06-22 21:00 ` Gautier write-only
2010-06-23  7:17   ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-06-23  7:40     ` Gautier write-only
2010-06-23 11:17       ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-06-23 18:38         ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2010-06-23  8:08     ` Gautier write-only
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