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From: Hyman Rosen <hyrosen@mail.com>
Subject: Re: Why is Ada a good choice for an ambitious beginner to programming
Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 06:07:49 GMT
Date: 2002-12-29T06:07:49+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ViwP9.11847$Ab.5863@nwrddc03.gnilink.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <BA32B53B.16E8%yaldnifw@blueyonder.co.uk>

Bill Findlay wrote:
> ... specifically to create local (i.e. not heap) dynamic arrays.
> As I said, I don't know whether C++ beginners need to do that.

I've never actually seen placement new used for this. After all,
in C++, how would you get the local storage in which to place the
object? There are two common uses for placement new that I'm aware
of. One looks like new(nothrow)Type, and selects a storage allocator
which returns null if it can not allocate the requested memory (the
default one throws an exception when this happens). The other looks
like new(pointer)Type, and that allocator simply returns its argument,
which must be properly aligned and sized storage for holding the
object (and this latter one is like Ada's for x'address use).

That second form decouples allocation of storage from initialization
of objects. It's not used often in user code, but figures heavily in
some library implementation code. For example, std::vector maintains
a size and a capacity. The former represents the number of elements
being held in the vector, and the latter represents the amount of
storage available. While capacity exceeds storage, new elements are
appended to the vector by using placement new to put them in the
unused space.




  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-12-29  6:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 109+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-12-21  3:30 Why is Ada NOT a good choice for a beginner to programming? David Wright
2002-12-21  5:44 ` sk
2002-12-23 14:29   ` Wes Groleau
2002-12-23 17:36     ` sk
2002-12-23 18:24       ` David Wright
2002-12-23 19:16         ` sk
2002-12-23 19:48           ` David Wright
2002-12-23 21:33             ` Wes Groleau
2002-12-23 21:17           ` Robert A Duff
2002-12-24 19:22             ` faust
2002-12-24  0:46               ` Robert A Duff
2002-12-24  9:41                 ` Pascal Obry
2002-12-25  4:43                 ` faust
2002-12-27 17:54                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-01-02 13:50                     ` Wes Groleau
2002-12-25  7:24                 ` AG
2003-01-02  9:56                   ` John McCabe
2003-01-02 13:47                 ` Wes Groleau
2003-01-08 19:39                   ` faust
2003-01-08  2:44                     ` Jeffrey Creem
2003-01-08 18:54                       ` Wes Groleau
2003-01-08 19:48                         ` chris.danx
2003-01-08 21:59                           ` Wes Groleau
2003-01-09 15:31                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-01-10  3:26                               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-10 22:58                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-01-10  3:51                               ` Kevin Cline
2003-01-10 13:29                               ` Wes Groleau
2003-01-11 12:09                               ` Richard Riehle
2003-01-11 18:13                                 ` Wes Groleau
2003-01-09 16:52                           ` faust
2003-01-08 21:57                             ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-01-09  0:59                       ` faust
2003-01-09  0:59                       ` faust
2003-01-08 13:14                         ` Ted Dennison
2003-01-08 17:41                         ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-01-09 16:40                           ` faust
2003-01-08 21:58                             ` Vinzent Hoefler
2002-12-23 21:30         ` Wes Groleau
2002-12-23 22:11           ` David Wright
2002-12-30 16:22         ` Mark
2002-12-24  0:50     ` Craig Carey
2002-12-29 14:44       ` Colin Paul Gloster
2002-12-21  8:39 ` arvids lemchens
2002-12-21  8:53 ` Gautier
2002-12-21  9:42 ` Craig Carey
2002-12-21 10:44 ` Dale Stanbrough
2002-12-21 15:47   ` Alfred Hilscher
2002-12-21 19:01     ` tmoran
2002-12-22  1:06       ` Robert C. Leif
2002-12-23 14:56         ` Wes Groleau
2002-12-23 11:05       ` Alfred Hilscher
2002-12-22  0:34     ` James S. Rogers
2002-12-23 11:11       ` Alfred Hilscher
2002-12-23 14:32         ` Wes Groleau
2002-12-23 19:54         ` tmoran
2002-12-21 10:51 ` Why is Ada a good choice for an ambitious beginner to programming Wojtek Narczynski
2002-12-22 14:40   ` Bill Findlay
2002-12-22 15:08     ` Bill Findlay
2002-12-22 23:02       ` David Wright
2002-12-23  1:36         ` Bill Findlay
2002-12-23  2:13           ` David Wright
2002-12-23 14:40           ` Wes Groleau
2002-12-27 21:25             ` Randy Brukardt
2002-12-23 11:52     ` Wojtek Narczynski
2002-12-23 14:12       ` Bill Findlay
2002-12-23 20:15         ` Wojtek Narczynski
2002-12-24 19:29           ` Bill Findlay
2002-12-24 22:56             ` Wojtek Narczynski
2002-12-24 23:31               ` Bill Findlay
2002-12-24 23:36               ` Adrian Knoth
2002-12-25  8:23             ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-27 17:27               ` Kevin Cline
2002-12-28  1:56                 ` Bill Findlay
2002-12-28  2:13                   ` Bill Findlay
2002-12-29  6:07                   ` Hyman Rosen [this message]
2002-12-23 20:52         ` Wojtek Narczynski
2002-12-23 20:07     ` chris.danx
2003-01-02 10:04     ` John McCabe
2003-01-02 21:32       ` Bill Findlay
2003-01-04 22:55         ` David Wright
2003-01-05  0:50           ` Bill Findlay
2003-01-05  2:18             ` David Wright
2003-01-05  3:57               ` John R. Strohm
2003-01-10  2:51                 ` Richard Riehle
2003-01-10  9:45                   ` David Wright
2003-01-10 10:59                     ` Richard Riehle
2003-01-11 17:47                     ` u.r. faust
2003-01-06  9:43               ` John McCabe
2003-01-06 10:05         ` John McCabe
2003-01-06 11:13           ` Bill Findlay
2003-01-10  2:58           ` Richard Riehle
2003-01-10  9:29             ` John McCabe
2002-12-21 11:57 ` Why is Ada NOT a good choice for a beginner to programming? David Marceau
2002-12-21 15:59 ` Alfred Hilscher
2002-12-21 17:48 ` Britt Snodgrass
2002-12-21 20:05 ` Peter Hend�n
2002-12-22  1:54 ` faust
2002-12-22  1:28   ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-22  2:11     ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-12-22 22:49     ` faust
     [not found] ` <u7m2ua.qk3.ln@beastie.ix.netcom.com>
2002-12-23 14:55   ` Wes Groleau
2002-12-24 14:01 ` W D Tate
2002-12-24 20:06   ` Rod Haper
2002-12-25  0:37   ` noone
2002-12-26 13:23     ` W D Tate
2002-12-26 20:37       ` David Starner
2002-12-27 14:02         ` W D Tate
2003-01-13 12:18 ` John English
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