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From: "Richard  Riehle" <adaworks@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping	language)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 00:12:37 GMT
Date: 2004-04-17T00:12:37+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <VD_fc.13510$k05.6011@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: c4tpu9$sqq$1@a1-hrz.uni-duisburg.de


"Georg Bauhaus" <sb463ba@l1-hrz.uni-duisburg.de> wrote in message
news:c4tpu9$sqq$1@a1-hrz.uni-duisburg.de...
> Alexander E. Kopilovich <aek@vb1162.spb.edu> wrote:
> :>requirement being that the product fufill some (but not necessarily all)
of
> :>its promises.
> :
> :
> :
> : professional traitorousness among CS teachers in American universities.
>
> What are the requirements in the minds of CS teachers?
> - A university job is not enough gratifying per se, so they need
>   to feel close to the software industry?

For the past several years, I have been teaching in a university where
Ada was originally a required subject.   When I first began teaching
at this institution, my classes were well-attended and students were
enjoying the opportunity to learn Ada.   The requirement for Ada was
eliminated a couple of years ago and attendance in the Ada classes
plummeted.

Many of the other faculty members have expressed a distaste for Ada,
some suggesting that the sooner it disappears forever, the better. When
I recommend that a student use Ada for a thesis project, unless I am the
thesis advisor, the student is told that Ada is not appropriate for serious
thesis work.  "Use Java or C++, but not Ada."

My school is not unique.   Throughout academia, Ada is falling victim
to a widespead misunderstanding of its value and capabilities.  One
might think that well-educated faculty members would know better,
but that seems not to be the case.

As long as industry is not using Ada, it is difficult to persuade academics
to promote it.   As long as academia fails to include Ada in the curriculum,
it is difficult to persuade, it is difficult to persuade industry of its
viability. We
have something of a stand-off between industy and academia.  It does not
help that some of our graduate students are bragging about how they are
"ripping out all that old Ada code" in this or that system and replacing it
with C++.

Some of the largest military contractors have decided to abandon Ada even
as they commend its value over competing technologies.  "We just cannot
hire experienced Ada programmers, and the universities don't teach it
anymore."    In their view it is cheaper and easier to find C++ programmers.
While this is a shortsigthed, perhaps even irresponsible management
decision,
for weapon systems development, the fact that the Pentagon has abandoned
all support for Ada gives those contractors good reason to go a different
direction.  From their view, the DoD is actually opposed to the use of Ada.
It is a wrong point-of-view, but it is widespread.

We need a statement from someone of influence in the U.S. DoD establishment
that affirms the value of Ada.  Unfortunately, no one will do this.  It is
not
politically expedient.  Furthermore, there may not be anyone left in the
Pentagon
that actually understands the importance of this issue.   As a consequence,
we
are likely to see, over the next decade, a series of software systems,
written in
C++ that are expensive to create, difficult to maintain, and highly
profitable for
military contractors.  It is an example, in the case of the U.S. DoD, of
"grabbing
defeat from the jaws of victory."   Ada could have been a powerful force for
software superiority.  Instead, they are allowing contractors to choose
whatever
technology is expedient, and, I fear, at the expense of long-term software
quality.

Richard Riehle





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     [not found] <20040206174017.7E84F4C4114@lovelace.ada-france.org>
2004-02-07  8:50 ` No call for it Carroll-Tech
2004-02-07 13:00   ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Ludovic Brenta
2004-02-07 13:19     ` David Rasmussen
2004-02-07 14:56     ` David Harmon
2004-02-07 15:03     ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-02-08 12:12       ` Simon Wright
2004-02-09  2:36         ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-02-07 19:24     ` MSG
2004-02-07 19:32       ` David Rasmussen
2004-02-07 22:47       ` Keith Thompson
2004-02-07 23:19       ` tmoran
2004-02-08  3:15       ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-02-08 12:57         ` Martin Krischik
2004-04-02 23:18         ` Beth Bruzan
2004-04-03  0:08           ` David Starner
2004-04-03  0:33             ` Ed Falis
2004-04-03 13:11               ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-03  9:13             ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-04-03 11:51               ` Martin Krischik
2004-04-03 15:09                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-04-03 17:14                   ` Martin Krischik
2004-04-03 22:26                 ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-04-04  6:41                   ` Martin Krischik
2004-04-04 10:00                   ` Florian Weimer
2004-04-04 12:38                     ` Larry Kilgallen
2004-04-05 18:07                     ` No call for Ada Marc A. Criley
2004-04-05 21:16                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-06 11:00                         ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-05 22:09                       ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-04-05 22:20                       ` chris
2004-04-06 13:25                         ` Marc A. Criley
2004-04-07  1:17                           ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-04-03 22:59               ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) David Starner
2004-04-04  0:33                 ` Randy Brukardt
2004-04-04  9:57               ` Florian Weimer
2004-04-03  9:21           ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-04-03 13:06           ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-03 14:12             ` James Rogers
2004-04-03 14:29               ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-04-03 16:54                 ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-03 19:46                   ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-04-03 19:58                     ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-04-05 12:30                       ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-16  1:21                       ` Richard  Riehle
2004-04-16 11:27                         ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-16 13:00                           ` No call for it Ludovic Brenta
2004-04-16 16:39                             ` Martin Dowie
2004-04-16 19:45                             ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-04-05 12:10                     ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Marin David Condic
2004-04-05 20:38                       ` Randy Brukardt
2004-04-05 22:50                         ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-06  8:17                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-07  2:15                             ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-07  2:55                               ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new Wes Groleau
2004-04-07  9:34                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-07  9:34                               ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-07 11:38                                 ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-07 13:18                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-08  9:59                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-08 11:22                                     ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-08 20:46                                     ` No call for Ada Marius Amado Alves
2004-04-09 11:26                                       ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-09 15:50                                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-09 11:34                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-08  2:29                                 ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-08  9:59                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-08 16:49                                     ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-09 11:34                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-10  0:51                                         ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-10 10:49                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-11  3:10                                             ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-11 10:31                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-11 21:47                                                 ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-12 10:29                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-13  0:36                                                     ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-13 10:55                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-13 22:44                                                         ` Wes Groleau
2004-04-13 23:32                                                         ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-14  8:49                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-14 23:22                                                             ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-15 10:37                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-16  2:47                                                                 ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-16 11:36                                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-16 13:52                                                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-16 17:37                                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-17  2:34                                                                     ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-17  8:08                                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-17 18:07                                                                         ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-18  8:24                                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-19  1:53                                                                             ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-19 14:29                                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-20  1:41                                                                                 ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-20  8:12                                                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-20 11:33                                                                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2004-04-21  2:51                                                                                     ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-21  9:29                                                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-21 11:58                                                                                         ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-04-21 11:50                                                                                           ` Preben Randhol
2004-04-21 13:38                                                                                             ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-04-21 13:58                                                                                               ` Preben Randhol
2004-04-21 15:30                                                                                                 ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-04-22  7:49                                                                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-21 15:27                                                                                               ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping Wes Groleau
2004-04-22 11:50                                                                                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-22 14:14                                                                                                   ` Preben Randhol
2004-04-22 15:56                                                                                                     ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-04-22 15:42                                                                                                       ` Preben Randhol
2004-04-24  3:36                                                                                                       ` Wes Groleau
2004-04-21 17:48                                                                                             ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Frank J. Lhota
2004-04-22  3:16                                                                                               ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototypinglanguage) Marius Amado Alves
2004-04-22  8:32                                                                                                 ` Preben Randhol
2004-04-24  3:32                                                                                                   ` Wes Groleau
2004-04-22  8:43                                                                                                 ` Preben Randhol
2004-04-21 13:57                                                                                           ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-21 14:02                                                                                         ` Hyman Rosen
2004-04-22  1:16                                                                                           ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-22 14:09                                                                                             ` Hyman Rosen
2004-04-22 14:10                                                                                               ` Preben Randhol
2004-04-22  3:15                                                                                         ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-22  8:22                                                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-23  2:30                                                                                             ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-23  8:08                                                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-24  1:28                                                                                                 ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-26  8:06                                                                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-26 15:54                                                                                                     ` Wes Groleau
2004-04-27  3:26                                                                                                     ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-27  8:11                                                                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-27 14:25                                                                                                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-28  2:03                                                                                                         ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-28 12:12                                                                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-29  3:41                                                                                                             ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-29 10:36                                                                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-29 15:49                                                                                                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-30 10:56                                                                                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-30 15:29                                                                                                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-05-03  7:55                                                                                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-03 19:10                                                                                                                         ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototypinglanguage) Marius Amado Alves
2004-05-03 11:17                                                                                                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-05-03 13:46                                                                                                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-30  1:47                                                                                                                 ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-30 12:57                                                                                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-30 15:44                                                                                                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-05-03  9:17                                                                                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-03 11:46                                                                                                                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-05-03 13:17                                                                                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-01  2:38                                                                                                                     ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-05-03  9:58                                                                                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-03 12:06                                                                                                                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-05-03 13:31                                                                                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-03 15:10                                                                                                                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-05-04  8:23                                                                                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-04 12:21                                                                                                                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-05-04 13:09                                                                                                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-05  8:44                                                                                                                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-05-04 13:56                                                                                                                                 ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-05-04 14:48                                                                                                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-04  3:11                                                                                                                         ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-05-04  8:47                                                                                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-04 20:34                                                                                                                             ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-05-05  8:29                                                                                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-06 15:04                                                                                                                                 ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
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2004-04-30 20:30                                                                                                                   ` [OT] price of doing science (was: No call for Ada...) Marius Amado Alves
2004-04-15 14:25                                                             ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Frank J. Lhota
2004-04-13 12:57                                                       ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing newscripting/prototyping language) Frank J. Lhota
2004-04-14  0:11                                                         ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-14 11:43                                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-13 21:09                                       ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new Robert I. Eachus
2004-04-15 16:10                                         ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-04-06  8:32                           ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-17  0:12                             ` Richard  Riehle [this message]
2004-04-17 10:29                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-17 17:40                               ` Chad R. Meiners
2004-04-17 18:13                                 ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-04-17 23:30                               ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-04-06 11:59                         ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-06 13:25                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-06 17:18                             ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-06 18:30                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-06 20:59                                 ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-06 22:54                               ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-07  8:23                                 ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-08  1:10                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2004-04-06 22:07                             ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-06 19:07                           ` Randy Brukardt
2004-04-06 21:20                             ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-04-06 21:22                             ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-07  0:31                             ` David Starner
2004-04-07  2:48                               ` Wes Groleau
2004-04-07  8:43                                 ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-07 13:23                               ` Martin Krischik
2004-04-07 17:40                               ` Pascal Obry
2004-04-07 22:14                                 ` David Starner
2004-04-07 22:44                                   ` Ed Falis
2004-04-07 23:06                                     ` Szymon Guz
2004-04-08 17:34                                       ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototypinglanguage) Marius Amado Alves
2004-04-08 11:46                                         ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-04-08 13:53                                           ` No call for Ada Samuel Tardieu
2004-04-08  9:18                                     ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) David Starner
2004-04-08 13:39                                       ` Ed Falis
2004-04-08  3:51                                 ` Wes Groleau
2004-04-08 18:36                                   ` chris
2004-04-08 18:43                                     ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2004-04-08 19:09                                       ` chris
2004-04-09  0:18                                         ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2004-04-09  1:29                                           ` chris
2004-04-09 11:48                                           ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-09  0:12                                     ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping Wes Groleau
2004-04-09 11:37                                     ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Marin David Condic
2004-04-12 16:38                                     ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-04-09 15:44                                   ` Pascal Obry
2004-04-09 15:55                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-09 19:28                                   ` Robert Spooner
2004-04-09 21:01                                     ` Björn Persson
2004-04-10 19:27                                     ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping Wes Groleau
2004-04-10 20:06                                       ` tmoran
2004-04-10 20:16                                         ` Ed Falis
2004-04-10 21:38                                         ` Wes Groleau
2004-04-10 23:23                                           ` tmoran
2004-04-11  4:06                                             ` Wes Groleau
2004-04-11  9:52                                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-12  3:30                                                 ` Wes Groleau
2004-04-12  9:16                                                   ` chris
2004-04-12 11:25                                                     ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-12 11:47                                                       ` chris
2004-04-12 12:27                                                         ` chris
2004-04-12 15:43                                                         ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-11  0:16                                           ` Ed Falis
2004-04-11 13:10                                           ` Stephen Leake
2004-04-11 13:48                                           ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-12 22:34                                           ` Randy Brukardt
2004-04-14 11:41                                             ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-14 14:12                                               ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-04-14 17:52                                                 ` No call for Ada Jeffrey Carter
2004-04-15 16:17                                                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-04-15 11:22                                                 ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping Marin David Condic
2004-04-14 19:22                                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-15 11:38                                                 ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-14 22:11                                               ` Randy Brukardt
2004-04-11  1:01                                       ` Call for Ada Jeffrey Carter
2004-04-11  4:08                                         ` Wes Groleau
2004-04-11 14:02                                           ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-11 13:55                                         ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-11 23:56                                           ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-04-12 11:29                                             ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-08 18:50                                 ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) chris
2004-04-09 15:48                                   ` Pascal Obry
2004-04-13 14:14                               ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-04-15  2:12                                 ` Alan Anderson
2004-04-15 21:50                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-04-17 11:59                                     ` David Starner
2004-04-17 11:31                                 ` David Starner
2004-04-17 13:58                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-04-17 17:53                                     ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping Wes Groleau
2004-04-17 18:19                                       ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-04-17 20:26                                         ` Character encodings Björn Persson
2004-04-17 20:34                                           ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-04-17 22:28                                             ` Björn Persson
2004-04-17 22:38                                         ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-18  4:10                                           ` David Starner
2004-04-18 18:49                                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-19  5:02                                               ` David Starner
2004-04-20 16:07                                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-23 19:48                                                   ` Internationalization/localization (Was: No call for Ada) Jacob Sparre Andersen
2004-04-23 20:16                                                     ` Björn Persson
2004-04-17 23:30                                       ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping Robert I. Eachus
2004-04-18 22:20                                         ` Wes Groleau
2004-04-20  1:02                                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-04-20  4:51                                             ` Wes Groleau
2004-04-17 22:23                                     ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) David Starner
2004-04-18  0:07                                       ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-04-18  3:57                                         ` David Starner
2004-04-18 19:27                                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-04-07  1:07                           ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototypinglanguage) Marius Amado Alves
2004-04-06 17:28                             ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-07 13:34                               ` chris
2004-04-07 13:54                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-06 19:17                             ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing newscripting/prototypinglanguage) Randy Brukardt
2004-04-06 23:35                               ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-17  0:38                               ` Richard  Riehle
2004-04-03 16:31               ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Marin David Condic
2004-04-04  0:30                 ` James Rogers
2004-04-04 21:36                   ` Wes Groleau
2004-04-05 12:34                   ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-08  1:58             ` No call for Ada Berend de Boer
2004-02-08 13:05       ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Martin Krischik
2004-02-08 16:20         ` Josh Sebastian
2004-02-08 18:02           ` Martin Krischik
2004-02-08 19:06             ` Josh Sebastian
2004-02-08 20:39               ` Martin Ambuhl
2004-02-10  3:37                 ` Richard  Riehle
2004-02-10  7:07                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-02-10 22:03                     ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2004-02-11 19:26                       ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-02-11 20:11                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-02-11 21:09                         ` Imperialism (OT) (Was: No call for Ada) Ludovic Brenta
2004-02-12 18:46                           ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-02-13 21:15                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-02-12  2:57                         ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Alexander Kopilovitch
2004-02-13 22:47                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-02-14  4:48                             ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2004-02-15 21:53                               ` Comparative military mythology (was: No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language)) Björn Persson
2004-02-15 22:12                                 ` Ed Falis
2004-02-16 16:39                                   ` Björn Persson
2004-02-15 22:40                                 ` Frode Tennebø
2004-02-15 22:15                             ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) David Starner
2004-02-18 11:28                             ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2004-02-12 13:55                         ` Reivilo Snuved
2004-02-12  1:02                     ` Richard  Riehle
2004-02-12 16:56                       ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2004-02-10 18:39                   ` Ed Falis
2004-02-12  1:21                     ` Richard  Riehle
2004-02-09 11:20               ` Thomas Stegen CES2000
2004-02-08 23:25         ` MSG
2004-02-09  0:11           ` James Rogers
2004-02-10  2:26             ` MSG
2004-02-10  2:37               ` Ed Falis
2004-02-10  2:45               ` James Rogers
2004-02-11 11:04                 ` Jerry Coffin
2004-02-11 12:13                   ` Chad R. Meiners
2004-02-11 12:51                   ` Marin David Condic
2004-02-11 21:04                   ` Martin Dowie
2004-02-10 10:05               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-02-10 11:08                 ` Martin Dowie
2004-02-10 14:13                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-02-10 14:11                     ` Martin Dowie
2004-02-10 20:49                       ` Mark McIntyre
2004-02-11  0:12                       ` August Derleth
2004-02-16 14:46                   ` The inner workings of Gnat (was: No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language)) Björn Persson
2004-02-16 17:59                     ` Pascal Obry
2004-02-16 18:18                       ` The inner workings of Gnat Björn Persson
2004-02-11  2:19                 ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) MSG
2004-02-11  6:30                   ` James Rogers
2004-02-12 23:20                     ` Ada performance (was No call for Ada ) MSG
2004-02-13  0:19                       ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2004-02-13  1:32                       ` Greg Lindahl
2004-02-13  4:18                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-02-13  1:39                       ` James Rogers
2004-02-13  1:42                         ` Richard Heathfield
2004-02-12 19:23                           ` Larry Hazel
2004-02-13  4:06                           ` James Rogers
2004-02-13  6:37                       ` Per Sandberg
2004-02-13 13:36                         ` James Rogers
2004-02-13 15:09                       ` Jan C. Vorbrüggen
2004-02-13 17:06                         ` Rich Townsend
2004-02-19  9:19                           ` Jan C. Vorbrüggen
2004-02-15 19:17                       ` Joona I Palaste
2004-02-11  9:22                   ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-02-11 13:10                     ` Marin David Condic
2004-02-11 14:23                       ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-02-12 12:49                         ` Marin David Condic
2004-02-12 13:54                           ` Preben Randhol
2004-02-13 13:01                             ` Marin David Condic
2004-02-13 15:41                               ` Preben Randhol
2004-02-12 15:37                           ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-02-13 13:11                             ` Marin David Condic
2004-02-13 16:41                               ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-02-14  8:53                                 ` Marin David Condic
2004-02-14 21:54                       ` Jerry Coffin
2004-02-15 14:15                         ` Marin David Condic
2004-02-17  9:19                           ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping Jerry Coffin
2004-02-17 12:23                             ` Marin David Condic
2004-02-17 23:20                             ` David Starner
2004-02-11 16:06                     ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Xenos
2004-02-11 16:47                       ` Preben Randhol
2004-02-11 17:42                         ` Xenos
2004-02-11 18:23                           ` Preben Randhol
2004-02-11 20:55                             ` Xenos
2004-02-11 22:58                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-02-17  9:14                     ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2004-02-10 10:10               ` David Rasmussen
2004-02-10 11:13                 ` Martin Dowie
2004-02-10 16:46                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-02-11 23:29                     ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-02-10 12:52               ` Marin David Condic
2004-02-09  1:24           ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-02-11 11:03             ` Jerry Coffin
2004-02-11 21:13               ` Martin Dowie
2004-02-12  3:12                 ` Jerry Coffin
2004-02-12  3:36                   ` Chad R. Meiners
2004-02-12 17:44                     ` Jerry Coffin
2004-02-13  0:00                       ` Chad R. Meiners
2004-02-13  5:18                         ` Jerry Coffin
2004-02-13 11:04                           ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-02-13 14:34                             ` Peter Amey
2004-02-14  5:43                             ` Jerry Coffin
2004-02-14  5:54                               ` Randy Brukardt
2004-02-18 17:18                                 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-02-18 19:13                                   ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-02-17  1:21                       ` Richard  Riehle
2004-02-17  8:26                         ` Peter Amey
2004-02-18 17:22                         ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-02-18 18:55                     ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping Larry Kilgallen
2004-02-20 21:31                       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-02-21 21:47                     ` Larry Kilgallen
2004-02-25 17:45                       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-02-26 12:45                         ` Marin David Condic
2004-02-26 13:30                           ` sk
2004-02-26 19:43                           ` Keith Thompson
2004-02-26 22:36                             ` Marin David Condic
2004-02-26 22:52                               ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2004-02-27  0:50                               ` David Starner
2004-02-25 18:59                     ` Larry Kilgallen
2004-02-25 19:54                       ` Hyman Rosen
2004-02-26  9:16                         ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-02-26 12:52                         ` Marin David Condic
2004-02-26 14:36                           ` Hyman Rosen
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2004-02-28  4:21                       ` Those "home hobbyists..." (was: No call for Ada) Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-02-28  8:06                         ` tmoran
2004-02-28 13:28                           ` Larry Kilgallen
2004-02-28 16:23                           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-02-28 18:47                             ` tmoran
2004-03-03 17:27                               ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-02-12  8:43                   ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Ludovic Brenta
2004-02-12 17:44                     ` Jerry Coffin
2004-02-11 19:31             ` Rob Thorpe
2004-02-11 21:03               ` Chris Torek
2004-02-09  9:55           ` Preben Randhol
2004-02-11 10:19         ` Jerry Coffin
2004-02-11 15:34           ` Pat Rogers
2004-02-17  1:14           ` Richard  Riehle
2004-02-07 21:03     ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2004-02-08  0:25     ` David Starner
2004-02-08  1:00       ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-02-08  2:29         ` David Starner
2004-02-08 16:02           ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2004-02-08 20:55             ` David Starner
2004-02-09 17:39               ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2004-02-08  2:54       ` Nick Landsberg
2004-02-07 16:51   ` No call for it Jano
2004-02-07 17:53     ` Ed Falis
2004-02-10 11:13 No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) christoph.grein
2004-02-10 13:00 ` Marin David Condic
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