From: Hyman Rosen <hyrosen@mail.com>
Subject: Re: status of PL/I as a viable language
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 06:19:32 GMT
Date: 2003-02-24T06:19:32+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <UPi6a.4466$8f7.333@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <uof52dcuy.fsf@xsol.com>
Berend de Boer wrote:
> I'm pretty sure that with those checks included we would have zero
> buffer overflow errors and your credit card info would be a lot safer.
For the upteenth time, I qualified my statement with "when continued
operation is important". It's not important for a web server to stay
up when it's being attacked if it discovers that it is behaving
erroneously. It is important that a rocket or an airplane which is in
the middle of flying not have its software decide to shut down.
As for my credit card safety, have you seen the news lately? About
the easy attacks on ATM PIN numbers that can have bank insiders
steal your money in fifteen tries or less? Complex software has
complex failure modes. Patting yourself on the back for catching
buffer overruns is a little premature.
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2003-02-20 15:49 ` status of PL/I as a viable language Richard Riehle
2003-02-20 16:26 ` Donald L. Dobbs
2003-02-20 17:15 ` Preben Randhol
2003-02-21 6:24 ` Anders Wirzenius
2003-02-21 18:44 ` John R. Strohm
2003-02-20 17:58 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-02-20 18:44 ` John R. Strohm
2003-02-20 19:09 ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-02-20 19:27 ` John R. Strohm
2003-02-20 19:48 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-02-20 21:12 ` John R. Strohm
2003-02-20 21:39 ` Bobby D. Bryant
2003-02-21 20:36 ` Randy Brukardt
2003-02-21 8:33 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2003-02-20 19:34 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-02-20 19:52 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-02-20 20:14 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-02-20 21:20 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-02-21 8:14 ` Ondřej Tučný
2003-02-21 14:54 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-02-21 15:05 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-02-21 15:55 ` Preben Randhol
2003-02-21 16:45 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-02-21 17:40 ` Preben Randhol
2003-02-21 17:44 ` Preben Randhol
2003-02-21 18:10 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-02-21 18:38 ` Preben Randhol
2003-02-21 18:40 ` Preben Randhol
2003-02-21 18:52 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-02-21 19:24 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-02-21 19:57 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-02-21 20:37 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-02-21 20:55 ` Randy Brukardt
2003-02-21 18:42 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-02-21 18:48 ` John R. Strohm
2003-02-21 20:22 ` Richard Riehle
2003-02-21 20:51 ` Randy Brukardt
2003-02-21 21:29 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-02-21 21:44 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-02-23 5:05 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-02-24 16:29 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-02-22 11:06 ` Preben Randhol
2003-02-23 22:04 ` tmoran
2003-02-24 9:32 ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-02 2:37 ` AG
2003-03-01 13:46 ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-03 0:57 ` AG
2003-03-02 12:40 ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-02 16:52 ` John R. Strohm
2003-03-03 0:19 ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-03-03 3:03 ` John R. Strohm
2003-03-04 12:11 ` Faust
2003-03-04 15:51 ` OT: Crime Frank J. Lhota
2003-03-03 8:01 ` status of PL/I as a viable language Preben Randhol
2003-02-24 20:15 ` Randy Brukardt
2003-02-25 10:00 ` Preben Randhol
2003-02-26 1:10 ` Randy Brukardt
2003-02-26 18:49 ` Stephen Leake
2003-02-27 12:09 ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-01 18:16 ` Richard Riehle
2003-03-02 1:56 ` AG
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2003-02-23 5:13 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-02-28 10:32 ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2003-02-28 18:52 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-02-23 19:19 ` Berend de Boer
2003-02-24 6:19 ` Hyman Rosen [this message]
2003-02-20 22:10 ` Peter Flass
2003-02-20 22:26 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-02-21 9:13 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-02-21 14:56 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-02-21 16:04 ` Preben Randhol
2003-02-21 19:41 ` Mike Silva
2003-02-21 20:41 ` Richard Riehle
2003-02-21 21:46 ` Donald L. Dobbs
2003-02-23 2:23 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2003-02-23 5:02 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-02-23 18:34 ` Donald L. Dobbs
2003-02-24 6:22 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-02-21 19:16 ` John R. Strohm
2003-02-21 19:49 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-02-21 20:32 ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-02-21 20:40 ` John R. Strohm
2003-02-25 10:31 ` Quality (Re: status of PL/I as a viable language) Anders Wirzenius
2003-02-25 13:10 ` Marin David Condic
2003-02-26 6:22 ` Anders Wirzenius
2003-02-26 11:47 ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-02-26 12:40 ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-02-26 13:43 ` Marin David Condic
2003-02-27 7:05 ` Anders Wirzenius
2003-03-01 22:28 ` AG
2003-03-01 12:56 ` Peter Flass
2003-03-01 19:17 ` Frank Clarke
2003-03-01 13:51 ` Anders Wirzenius
2003-03-01 13:54 ` Anders Wirzenius
2003-03-02 18:51 ` AG
2003-03-02 9:55 ` Anders Wirzenius
2003-02-21 20:35 ` status of PL/I as a viable language John R. Strohm
2003-02-21 21:40 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-02-21 22:25 ` John R. Strohm
2003-02-22 10:56 ` Preben Randhol
2003-02-22 19:55 ` Everett M. Greene
2003-02-23 11:15 ` Preben Randhol
2003-02-22 19:55 ` Everett M. Greene
2003-02-22 20:03 ` John R. Strohm
2003-02-22 22:38 ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-02-21 21:44 ` Pointless Harlows
2003-02-22 4:51 ` John W. Kennedy
2003-02-23 0:13 ` James J. Weinkam
2003-02-23 2:28 ` John W. Kennedy
2003-02-22 13:04 ` IEFBR14, was " Peter Flass
2003-02-22 19:08 ` Robert Munck
2003-02-23 9:53 ` Pointless Harlows
2003-02-22 19:31 ` John W. Kennedy
2003-02-23 2:12 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2003-02-20 21:45 ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-02-20 22:06 ` Peter Flass
2003-02-20 23:30 ` John R. Strohm
2003-02-21 13:46 ` Peter Flass
2003-02-21 20:33 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2003-02-21 20:26 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2003-02-20 22:34 ` Larry Kilgallen
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2003-02-21 16:09 ` Preben Randhol
2003-02-21 18:10 ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-02-24 12:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-02-21 20:16 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2003-02-22 12:57 ` Peter Flass
2003-02-23 2:27 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2003-02-21 20:49 ` Donald's F-22 Question Richard Riehle
2003-02-21 22:37 ` Jerry Petrey
2003-02-20 23:00 status of PL/I as a viable language David C. Hoos, Sr.
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2003-02-21 18:17 Lionel.DRAGHI
2003-02-21 18:44 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-02-22 13:26 David C. Hoos, Sr.
2003-02-26 20:55 David C. Hoos
2003-02-27 12:12 ` Preben Randhol
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