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From: "Randy Brukardt" <randy@rrsoftware.com>
Subject: Re: RISC
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 19:13:06 -0600
Date: 2001-03-16T19:13:06-06:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <TVys6.4868$7e6.1857231@homer.alpha.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: wccbsr1qw7b.fsf@world.std.com

Robert A Duff wrote in message ...
>"Marin David Condic" <marin.condic.auntie.spam@pacemicro.com> writes:
>
>> And the only allowed operations on a table are assignments to/from
fields or
>> assignments to/from the whole structure. (No math or other stuff -
just data
>> motion) Would something like this take the burden off of the compiler
>> writer?
>
>I don't think it helps much.  If you do X.Y * A.B, the compiler needs
to
>extract bit fields for Y and B into registers.  Once they're in
>registers, doing the multiply is no problem.  Disallowing that multiply
>would not simplify.


For records, I agree, it doesn't matter much. For arrays, it certainly
would be a lot easier if you didn't have to deal with slices and
relationals on arrays of discretes. Those (and generic formal types) are
the reason that Janus/Ada doesn't support 'Component_Size very well.
I've never been able to figure out any sane way to implement an
arbitrary slice of a packed boolean array assigned into another packed
boolean array. Any particular case isn't too hard, but the general case
looks like:
          Bar (Start .. End) := Foo (Start+Offset .. End+Offset);
About the only thing I can see to do is punt and do it a component at a
time; but the performance would be abismal.

Still, Bob is right that "helpful" restrictions often turn out to be not
helpful. The obvious example is the restrictions on "others" clauses in
aggregates in Ada 83. We spent more effort trying to implement the
restrictions than we did implementing the aggregates in the first place
(I mistakenly implemented nearly full support for arbitrary "others"
clauses before discovering that it wasn't required or allowed.)

                    Randy.






  reply	other threads:[~2001-03-17  1:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-03-14 20:23 RISC chris.danx
2001-03-14 21:57 ` RISC Tucker Taft
2001-03-14 22:36   ` RISC chris.danx
2001-03-14 23:03     ` RISC Fraser Wilson
2001-03-15  1:30       ` RISC Corey Ashford
2001-03-15  9:19       ` RISC chris.danx
2001-03-15 12:37 ` RISC chris.danx
2001-03-15 13:03   ` RISC Tarjei T. Jensen
2001-03-15 18:29     ` RISC Robert A Duff
2001-03-15 14:40   ` RISC Ted Dennison
2001-03-15 14:49     ` RISC Robert A Duff
2001-03-15 17:37       ` RISC Marin David Condic
2001-03-15 18:28         ` RISC Robert A Duff
2001-03-15 19:16           ` RISC Marin David Condic
2001-03-16  8:44             ` RISC Martin Dowie
2001-03-16 14:40               ` RISC Marin David Condic
2001-03-20 10:17                 ` RISC Martin Dowie
2001-03-20 14:34                   ` RISC Marin David Condic
2001-03-20 15:45                     ` RISC Ted Dennison
2001-03-20 16:39                       ` RISC Robert A Duff
2001-03-20 18:10                       ` RISC Martin Dowie
2001-03-20 18:56                         ` RISC Ted Dennison
2001-03-22  9:16                       ` RISC - largish (code listed) Martin Dowie
2001-03-22  9:34                         ` Martin Dowie
2001-03-20 18:09                     ` RISC Martin Dowie
2001-03-20 20:00                       ` RISC Marin David Condic
2001-03-20 22:30                         ` RISC Robert A Duff
2001-03-20 22:48                           ` RISC Ted Dennison
2001-03-20 23:10                           ` RISC Marin David Condic
2001-03-21  0:18                             ` RISC Robert A Duff
2001-03-21 14:31                               ` RISC Marin David Condic
2001-03-21 16:47                                 ` RISC Ted Dennison
2001-03-21 17:36                                   ` RISC Marin David Condic
2001-03-16 15:09             ` RISC Tucker Taft
2001-03-16 17:10               ` RISC Robert A Duff
2001-03-16 19:02                 ` RISC Marin David Condic
2001-03-16 20:58                   ` RISC Robert A Duff
2001-03-19 16:17                     ` RISC Marin David Condic
2001-03-19 16:45                       ` RISC Florian Weimer
2001-03-19 17:14                         ` RISC Marin David Condic
2001-03-19 17:33                           ` RISC Florian Weimer
2001-03-21  5:57                           ` RISC Lao Xiao Hai
2001-03-16 22:19                   ` RISC Ted Dennison
2001-03-16 19:13                 ` RISC Laurent Guerby
2001-03-16 20:30                   ` RISC Robert A Duff
2001-03-16 20:51                 ` RISC Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2001-03-16 18:33               ` RISC Marin David Condic
2001-03-16 20:45                 ` RISC Robert A Duff
2001-03-17  1:13                   ` Randy Brukardt [this message]
2001-03-19 16:34                   ` RISC Marin David Condic
2001-03-19 17:49                     ` RISC Robert A Duff
2001-03-16 20:08 ` RISC chris.danx
2001-03-16 20:31   ` RISC Marin David Condic
2001-03-17 21:51     ` RISC Robert A Duff
2001-03-18  6:37       ` RISC Charles Hixson
2001-03-19 15:42         ` RISC Robert A Duff
2001-03-19 17:02         ` RISC Marin David Condic
2001-03-19 17:45           ` RISC Robert A Duff
2001-03-19 18:48             ` RISC Marin David Condic
2001-03-19 16:45       ` RISC Marin David Condic
2001-03-16 22:27 ` RISC chris.danx
2001-03-17  2:49   ` RISC Jeffrey Carter
2001-03-19  9:43   ` RISC Martin Dowie
2001-03-19 11:06     ` RISC chris.danx
2001-03-28 22:24     ` RISC chris.danx
2001-03-29  0:52       ` RISC Corey Ashford
2001-03-29 12:42       ` RISC John English
2001-03-22 20:11 ` RISC chris.danx
2001-03-22 20:51   ` RISC Marin David Condic
2001-03-22 21:02   ` RISC tmoran
2001-03-22 21:18     ` RISC chris.danx
2001-03-22 21:45   ` RISC Britt Snodgrass
2001-03-22 22:43     ` RISC chris.danx
2001-03-28 11:37   ` RISC chris.danx
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-03-16 23:25 RISC Beard, Frank
2001-03-17 11:39 ` RISC chris.danx
2001-03-29  3:12 RISC Beard, Frank
2001-03-29  7:28 ` RISC Martin Dowie
2001-03-29 12:38 ` RISC chris.danx
2001-03-29 19:07 ` RISC Chad R. Meiners
2001-03-29 17:52 RISC Beard, Frank
2001-03-30 17:31 RISC Kent Paul Dolan
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