Re: Buy C++ compiler, fly to Pluto

Re: Buy C++ compiler, fly to Pluto

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Gregory Aharonian writes:
>    I just received some literature in the mail from Symantec, with their
>latest offering.  If you buy their C++ Proefessional System for $199 (a
>tad lower than Microsoft's and Borland's prices), Symantec will give you
>travel certificates good for two round trip airline tickets to HAWAII.
>You have to pay for the hotel rooms, and stay in Hawaii at least a week.
>But other than a few trivial restrictions, that's it, two FREE tickets to
>Hawaii.  (For more info, call 1-800-453-1086).
 
Symantec gives away plane fare to Hawaii with their C++ (the old Zortech 
compiler), BUT only if you PAY for 7 nights in a lodge (the fine print 
says total cost will be $800-$1800). 
WOW, what a deal! (business for Marriott, kickbacks for Symantec etc)
 
G Aharonian reminds me of a town drunk that people pity, but won't 
do anything to help, mainly because he provides needed amusement.
Witness his performance at the Washington Ada Symposium. Better yet, 
witness the fact that he had misspelled his company's name in his
newsgroup signature for almost a year before somebody pointed this
out to him (some posts alluded to this rather subtly).
 
I guess I am as guilty as everyone else, whilst privately developing
a superiority complex.  Really, how can somebody claim to be a 
successful businessman who does not follow the golden rule:
   If nothing else, make sure they get my name right!
 
Please, do something that matches your skill level.  When people call 
you Mr Ada, they are laughing at you, not with you.
 
Good luck,
Lon Smithers
 

Re: Buy C++ compiler, fly to Pluto

[Gregory Aharonian]

Lon Smithers writes:

>Symantec gives away plane fare to Hawaii with their C++ (the old Zortech 
>compiler), BUT only if you PAY for 7 nights in a lodge (the fine print 
>says total cost will be $800-$1800). 
>WOW, what a deal! (business for Marriott, kickbacks for Symantec etc)

   It is a deal, if you want to goto Hawaii.  If I want to go to Hawaii
with a second person, say from the East Coast, I am going to have to pay
about $800 in air fair, and $800-$1800 in lodging ($60 - $129 per person
double occupancy, not unreasonable) for the two people.
   Thus to save the $800 in air fare, I buy Symantec's compiler for $200,
saving $600.  Now you might argue that a TOTAL cost of $800-$1800 in
londing may be too expensive, but it can be offset by some of the $600 you
save in airfare.
   So if I am traveling to Hawaii anyways, or want to, the Symantec deal
can be of benefit to me.  Handled properly there are benefits to me, and
obviously for Symantec and Marriot and whoever.  It is neither a fantastic
bargain for me, nor a ripoff on the part of Symantec.

   It is, however, an interesting gimmick on the part of Symantec which
gets them some sales, some media attention and publicity.  But at least
they are trying gimmicks, as opposed to many ofthe Ada vendors whose
products are too uncompetitive to win many converts in the non-Mandated
world, marketed with next to invisible advertising and publicity campaigns.

   Look at the latest issues of Computerworld, Infoworld, PC Week, Software
Dvelopment, Dr. Dobb's Journal, EMbedded Systems Programming, InformationWeek,
Datamation, Open Systems Today, and other publications.  You would never
know that Ada exists based on advertising exposure and editorial coverage,
while the C/C++ industry is everywhere.

>G Aharonian reminds me of a town drunk that people pity, but won't 
>do anything to help, mainly because he provides needed amusement.
>Witness his performance at the Washington Ada Symposium.

    Given the favorable reviews of my WadaS performance in Government
Computer News and Defense Electronics (which found nothing interesting to
quote from my fellow debaters), I think I did quite well, especially given
the funding the others had to prepare with.

>Please, do something that matches your skill level.  When people call 
>you Mr Ada, they are laughing at you, not with you.
   If the people laughing at me (like you) are the same people who support
the ASSET effort subsidizing people's free Internet accounts and long distance
phone calls to download source code, who support ARPA spending $100 million
on supporting the commercial CAD industry while spending $0 similarly on Ada,
who support the fact that the Mandated world refuses to have a presence at
non-Mandated trade shows and conferences, and who support other activities
that wreck any chance of Ada success outside the Mandated world, well let
them laugh at me.  Maybe if they laugh hard enough and long enough, they
won't have enough time to waste taxpayer's dollars.

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