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From: "Frank J. Lhota" <NOSPAM.lhota.adarose@verizon.net>
Subject: 1000 Km Off Topic: non military license for ada
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 20:22:09 GMT
Date: 2003-03-18T20:22:09+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <RdLda.50789$68.42388@nwrdny01.gnilink.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: slrnb7e0ib.389.randhol+news@kiuk0152.chembio.ntnu.no

First of all, I obviously do not object to occasionally veering off topic.
As a courtesy to those who wish to read only Ada posts, however, please
indicate when you are venting on something beside Ada in the subject line.

"Preben Randhol" <randhol+news@pvv.org> wrote in message
news:slrnb7e0ib.389.randhol+news@kiuk0152.chembio.ntnu.no...
> Sadly it is so. Bush is talking about "fight for our Freedom", but he
> passes laws to restict it. Is it only me that sees the paradox here?

No, you are far from alone in your concern about civil liberties. All of the
american civil liberties groups (such as the ACLU) have experienced
tremendous growth since the passage of the U.S. PATRIOT act. Early on in
life, I have taken to heart the words of Thomas Jefferson that liberty
requires eternal vigilance, and I have maintained a membership in some
organization fighting for civil liberties for the last two decades.
Currently, I am a proud member of the Institute for Justice
(http://www.ij.org).

Moreover, you will find ardent defenders of civil liberties on both sides of
the war issue. Andrew Sullivan and Christopher Hitchens support the
overthrow of Hussein, but object to the overreaching U.S. PATRIOT act.

> By the way don't trust all you see on CNN or other networks when the war
> in Iraq 2.0 starts. CNN is censoring the information before presenting
> it.  Independant reporters are threatened that satelite uplinks will be
> fire upon etc... So reflect when you see the news.

In general, you should not trust all that see what you see / hear / read
from any one news source. Everyone has their biases, and no matter how hard
these news organizations try to be fair, these biases will effect what they
report. Always go to multiple news sources, including those with conflicting
points of view.

With respect to CNN, however, I would not go so far as to say that they are
"censoring" the news. That is a serious charge, and I do not see any
evidence that th

> I'm sad for the thousands of civilians who will be killed.

We are all sad that civilians may be killed by this war, and we all hope
that there are not thousands of such deaths. But keep in mind that there
have been hundreds of thousands of Iraqi Kurds killed by Hussein, not to
mentions the Southern Shi'ites, Chaldeans and political dissidents. We all
want peace in Iraq, but we should be aware that Iraq has not been at peace
for two decades now, nor is it likely to experience peace while Hussein is
in power.





  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-03-18 20:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-03-14 10:43 non military license for ada Tony Gair
2003-03-14 11:21 ` Jeffrey Creem
2003-03-14 15:32 ` Victor Porton
2003-03-14 15:38 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-03-14 17:49 ` Stephen Leake
2003-03-14 18:34 ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-15 10:20   ` Tony Gair
2003-03-14 18:42 ` sk
2003-03-14 20:52   ` Christopher Browne
2003-03-14 21:00     ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-03-14 21:19     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-03-14 22:51       ` chris.danx
2003-03-14 23:33         ` sk
2003-03-15  0:52           ` chris.danx
2003-03-15  9:54             ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-15  9:52         ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-15 19:31           ` chris.danx
2003-03-16 10:42             ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-17  8:31               ` Tony Gair
2003-03-16 20:00             ` Michael Bode
2003-03-17  8:20       ` Tony Gair
2003-03-17 16:38         ` Hyman Rosen
2003-03-18  0:44           ` Tony Gair
2003-03-18  3:30             ` Hyman Rosen
2003-03-18  5:38               ` tmoran
2003-03-18  6:43                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-03-18 10:53               ` Tony Gair
2003-03-18 11:26                 ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-18 15:49                   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-03-18 16:13                     ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-19  9:51                     ` Tony Gair
2003-03-19 16:29                       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-03-19 16:39                         ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-19 17:26                           ` Hyman Rosen
2003-03-19 19:27                             ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-19 19:37                               ` Pascal Obry
2003-03-19 19:42                               ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-03-19 20:51                                 ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-03-20  0:41                                   ` chris.danx
2003-03-20  0:58                                     ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-03-20  5:47                                     ` Pascal Obry
2003-03-20  3:32                                 ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-03-20 12:57                                   ` chris.danx
2003-03-20 15:03                                 ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-03-19 20:55                               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-03-20  0:28                               ` chris.danx
2003-03-20  3:02                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-03-20  3:16                         ` Christopher Browne
2003-03-20  3:29                           ` Hyman Rosen
2003-03-20  5:29                             ` Dale Stanbrough
2003-03-20  5:53                               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-03-20  6:50                                 ` Dale Stanbrough
2003-03-20  3:33                       ` Larry Kilgallen
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2003-03-20 11:56                         ` Marin David Condic
2003-03-19 11:33                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-03-19 21:27                     ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-03-19 21:42                       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-03-18 20:22                   ` Frank J. Lhota [this message]
2003-03-18 20:29                     ` 1000 Km Off Topic: " Hyman Rosen
2003-03-18 20:35                     ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-03-18 21:01                   ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-03-18 21:32                     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-03-18 21:51                   ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-03-20  8:21               ` sk
2003-03-15  5:15   ` Richard Riehle
2003-03-15 12:47   ` Faust
2003-03-14 21:28 ` sk
2003-03-15  1:21 ` Stephane Richard
2003-03-15 14:05   ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-03-16  8:39 ` Florian Weimer
2003-03-16 19:07   ` sk
2003-03-23 11:28     ` Florian Weimer
2003-03-19 23:28 ` Tony Gair
2003-03-20  3:11   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-03-20 13:37 ` Frank
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