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From: tmoran@acm.org
Subject: Re: Generation of permutations
Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 07:35:11 GMT
Date: 2002-05-07T07:35:11+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <PsLB8.6706$cT1.98522399@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 5ee5b646.0205041652.63032ba6@posting.google.com

> "Marin David Condic" > A better (slower) algorithm would be > to
> generate a random set of machine
> > instructions, execute them, see if it sorted the list
>
> You could see if it sorted some particular list, but to
> determine whether a set of instructions constitutes a
> general sorting algorithm is obviously recursively
> undecidable. So this is not a well formed method.
  I tried an experiment*: the data is three letters chosen from 'a' .. 'c',
the instructions are for a machine with instructions: compare and skip
if greater, swap, jump, and stop.  Generating random 16 line programs,
and random data strings, and aborting any program still running after
50 instruction cycles, there were 125801 successes in 874199 tries.
Testing each of the successful programs against all possible combinations
of three letters from 'a' .. 'c', 9 of the programs successfully sorted
all combinations, ie, were general routines capable of sorting any
input data in their universe.
  So "recursively undecidable" is a fancy way of saying it may get stuck
in an infinite loop, and, assuming he didn't mean to allow that, mcondic's
algorithm is perfectly good as a (slow) sorting algorithm.
  * Program available on request.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-05-07  7:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 88+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-04-29 11:54 Generation of permutations Reinert Korsnes
2002-04-30 13:52 ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-30 14:20   ` Marin David Condic
2002-05-02 12:32     ` Robert Dewar
2002-05-02 15:47     ` Ted Dennison
2002-05-02 16:16       ` Mark Biggar
2002-05-03 13:04         ` Marin David Condic
2002-05-05  0:52           ` Robert Dewar
2002-05-05 23:11             ` tmoran
2002-05-06  2:13               ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-05-06 13:52                 ` Stephen Leake
2002-05-09 17:44                   ` Darren New
2002-05-09 18:07                     ` Stephen Leake
2002-05-09 20:58                       ` Darren New
2002-05-09 23:21                         ` tmoran
2002-05-09 23:51                           ` Darren New
2002-05-10  3:37                             ` tmoran
2002-05-10  3:59                               ` Darren New
2002-05-10 13:13                               ` Robert Dewar
2002-05-25 16:21                         ` Robert I. Eachus
2002-05-09 23:24                       ` Robert Dewar
2002-05-09 23:48                       ` Robert Dewar
2002-05-10  3:37                         ` tmoran
2002-05-10 15:10                         ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-05-11  4:04                           ` Robert Dewar
2002-05-16  1:35                             ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-05-11  4:05                           ` Robert Dewar
2002-05-06 15:46                 ` Wes Groleau
2002-05-06 16:21                   ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-05-06 16:33                   ` Darren New
2002-05-07  0:06                     ` tmoran
2002-05-07  0:26                       ` Darren New
2002-05-07  1:56                         ` tmoran
2002-05-07 10:39                           ` Robert Dewar
2002-05-07 17:25                             ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-05-08  2:27                               ` Robert Dewar
2002-05-08  8:44                               ` Mats Karlssohn
2002-05-07 17:00                         ` Wes Groleau
2002-05-06 21:33               ` Robert Dewar
2002-05-06 17:26             ` Marin David Condic
2002-05-07  7:35             ` tmoran [this message]
2002-05-07 13:22               ` Marin David Condic
2002-05-08  5:23                 ` tmoran
2002-05-08 14:10                   ` Marin David Condic
2002-05-09 16:20                     ` Darren New
2002-05-09 19:04                     ` tmoran
2002-05-08 16:20                   ` Darren New
2002-05-08 17:31                     ` tmoran
2002-05-08 17:39                     ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-05-07 15:34               ` Darren New
2002-05-07 17:44               ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-05-07 19:58                 ` tmoran
2002-05-07 21:05                   ` Turing-undecidable languages (OT) Chad R. Meiners
2002-05-08  8:24                     ` Danx
2002-05-08 17:16                       ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-05-10  2:37                       ` Robert Dewar
2002-05-08  9:16                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-05-08 17:18                       ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-05-09 20:56                         ` Dmitry A.Kazakov
2002-05-09 16:18                           ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-05-10  2:52                             ` Robert Dewar
2002-05-08  2:17               ` Generation of permutations Robert Dewar
2002-05-03 13:13         ` Ted Dennison
2002-05-03 13:24           ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2002-04-30 15:06   ` Hyman Rosen
2002-05-01  8:40     ` Adrian Hoe
2002-05-01 19:53       ` Hyman Rosen
2002-05-11  1:52     ` Steven Deller
2002-05-02 16:24   ` Mark Biggar
2002-04-30 17:12 ` Wes Groleau
2002-04-30 22:57   ` Robert Dewar
2002-05-01  0:54     ` tmoran
2002-05-01  9:42       ` Florian Weimer
2002-05-02 12:34         ` Robert Dewar
2002-05-01 12:43       ` Robert Dewar
2002-05-01 15:05         ` TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN Wes Groleau
2002-05-02 12:27           ` More on copyright, (Re: TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN) Robert Dewar
2002-05-08 13:56             ` Wes Groleau
2002-05-08 18:01               ` Robert Dewar
2002-05-08 18:31                 ` Hyman Rosen
2002-05-09 13:41                 ` Wes Groleau
2002-05-01 12:46       ` Generation of permutations Robert Dewar
2002-05-01 18:22         ` OT:Copyright, was " tmoran
2002-05-01 21:56           ` Robert Dewar
2002-05-01 23:45             ` tmoran
2002-05-02 11:58               ` Robert Dewar
2002-05-01 14:55     ` Wes Groleau
2002-05-02 12:41       ` Robert Dewar
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