From: Colin Paul Gloster <Colin_Paul_Gloster@ACM.org>
Subject: Re: Ada for 1st year students
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:01:43 +0100
Date: 2008-10-13T17:01:43+01:00 [thread overview]
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On Mon, 13 Oct 2008, Georg Bauhaus wrote:
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|"Colin Paul Gloster wrote: |
|> On Sun, 12 Oct 2008, Georg Bauhaus wrote: |
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|> |" ||
|> |[..] I guess this then ||
|> |will be the first time that the CS mathematicians start seeing the||
|> |harm that their intuition is doing to computer programming..." ||
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|> |
|> What harm is being done? |
| |
|Distraction from the topics of computer science (knowledge |
|of the computer). Try to minimize things that (a) are not |
|about computers and (b) need additional knowledge of largely |
|unrelated detail. [..]" |
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Perhaps it is possible to concentrate excessively on mathematics, but
would you disapprove of the following exercise from a textbook because
it requires a basic familiarity with things which are not computers?
"Suppose every student except student b passes their electronics
exam. Write the relevant Pascal program text for representing the set
of students who fail electronics." Those things being for example any
of a student; electronics; failure; and calling a student "b".
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|" CS needs to put limits on mathematical high school intuition. |
|E.g., if you want to study computers, and only computers, |
|then knowing sets is probably more to the point than knowing |
|integrals. |
| |
|[..]" |
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One should know about integration if one is designing a computer which
performs integration (which is a computational chore).
I agree that sets (or things like sets) are almost always important.
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|"You can express Type + Operations as a tuple, |
| |
| ({Rot, Orange, Gelb, Grün, Blau, Indigo, Violett}, |
| -- the values |
| {Succ, Pred, ...}). |
| -- the operations |
| |
|Is this, I guess algebraic style, typical of high school |
|mathematics?" |
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I suspect that it is not.
Regards,
Colin Paul Gloster
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2008-10-09 16:06 Ada for 1st year students amado.alves
2008-10-09 16:44 ` Vadim Godunko
2008-10-09 17:00 ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-10-09 18:30 ` amado.alves
2008-11-01 12:13 ` Mike H
2008-10-09 18:25 ` amado.alves
2008-10-09 19:09 ` Vadim Godunko
2008-10-09 19:37 ` amado.alves
2008-10-09 16:47 ` mockturtle
2008-10-09 17:06 ` Ludovic Brenta
2008-10-09 19:36 ` Simon Wright
2008-10-14 4:32 ` Randy Brukardt
2008-10-14 10:58 ` amado.alves
2008-10-09 17:27 ` Robert A Duff
2008-10-09 18:35 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2008-10-09 19:36 ` amado.alves
2008-10-09 19:42 ` amado.alves
2008-10-09 20:05 ` ahab
2008-10-09 21:01 ` Pascal Obry
2008-10-09 21:13 ` Ed Falis
2008-10-09 23:14 ` amado.alves
2008-10-10 0:49 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
[not found] ` <D9OdnXWk_MQQOXPVnZ2dnUVZ_gWdnZ2d@earthlink.com>
2008-10-10 9:54 ` amado.alves
2008-10-10 17:44 ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-10-15 10:40 ` amado.alves
2008-10-15 11:00 ` christoph.grein
2008-10-15 11:14 ` amado.alves
2008-10-15 11:50 ` christoph.grein
2008-10-15 17:34 ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-10-15 22:30 ` amado.alves
2008-10-16 7:45 ` christoph.grein
2008-10-16 9:12 ` amado.alves
2008-10-16 10:15 ` christoph.grein
2008-10-16 11:17 ` Niklas Holsti
2008-10-16 11:35 ` amado.alves
2008-10-16 19:24 ` sjw
2008-10-17 12:00 ` amado.alves
2008-10-16 16:26 ` Pascal Obry
2008-10-16 18:15 ` amado.alves
2008-10-16 19:14 ` sjw
2008-10-17 11:59 ` amado.alves
2008-10-16 9:42 ` Common Configuration Settings (was: Ada for 1st year students) Georg Bauhaus
2008-10-16 10:24 ` christoph.grein
2008-10-16 11:20 ` Common Configuration Settings Georg Bauhaus
2008-10-16 11:37 ` amado.alves
2008-10-15 13:57 ` Ada for 1st year students Pascal Obry
2008-10-15 15:20 ` amado.alves
2008-10-15 12:51 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-10-15 15:34 ` amado.alves
2008-10-25 19:06 ` Marco
2008-10-15 11:08 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2008-10-15 15:19 ` amado.alves
2008-10-10 0:09 ` Gene
2008-10-10 1:15 ` Jeffrey Creem
2008-10-10 10:04 ` amado.alves
2008-10-11 0:15 ` Jeffrey Creem
2008-10-11 13:46 ` amado.alves
2008-10-11 14:46 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-10-11 20:43 ` amado.alves
2008-10-11 20:57 ` amado.alves
2008-10-11 23:37 ` Mike H
2008-10-12 1:06 ` (see below)
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2008-10-12 1:37 ` Gary Scott
2008-11-01 12:09 ` Mike H
2008-10-11 12:54 ` John McCormick
2008-10-11 13:35 ` amado.alves
2008-10-13 23:17 ` Gene
2008-10-11 14:08 ` amado.alves
2008-10-13 12:51 ` Colin Paul Gloster
2008-10-13 20:07 ` amado.alves
2008-10-14 11:56 ` Colin Paul Gloster
2008-10-11 14:12 ` amado.alves
2008-10-11 16:20 ` (see below)
2008-10-12 13:00 ` John McCormick
2008-10-12 14:53 ` amado.alves
2008-10-12 15:31 ` Gary Scott
2008-10-12 16:19 ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-10-13 13:06 ` Colin Paul Gloster
2008-10-13 15:29 ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-10-13 16:01 ` Colin Paul Gloster [this message]
2008-10-14 14:17 ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-10-13 20:13 ` amado.alves
2008-10-12 14:56 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-10-13 13:10 ` Colin Paul Gloster
2008-10-13 14:08 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-10-13 14:26 ` Colin Paul Gloster
2008-10-13 14:46 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-10-14 12:03 ` Colin Paul Gloster
2008-10-14 12:25 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-10-13 15:52 ` John McCormick
2008-10-11 17:44 ` Simon Wright
2008-10-13 14:22 ` Colin Paul Gloster
2008-10-13 20:27 ` amado.alves
2008-10-19 20:49 ` Michael Feldman
2008-10-21 11:16 ` amado.alves
2008-10-22 0:41 ` John McCormick
2008-10-22 8:50 ` amado.alves
2008-10-22 9:26 ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-10-22 11:07 ` amado.alves
2008-10-22 18:02 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2008-10-22 19:26 ` Adam Beneschan
2008-10-22 20:31 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2008-11-04 15:31 ` amado.alves
2008-11-04 18:16 ` Colin Paul Gloster
2008-11-05 15:30 ` John McCormick
2008-11-12 12:23 ` amado.alves
2008-10-22 18:24 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2008-10-22 13:38 ` mcollado
2008-10-21 11:30 ` amado.alves
2008-10-21 12:34 ` Peter Hermann
2008-10-21 16:35 ` amado.alves
2008-10-22 13:40 ` Larry A Barowski
2008-10-22 13:33 ` Larry A Barowski
2008-10-22 14:11 ` Britt Snodgrass
2008-10-22 21:48 ` Larry A Barowski
2008-10-25 19:36 ` Marco
2008-10-28 0:49 ` lbarowski
2008-10-28 11:31 ` lbarowski
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