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From: Brian Rogoff <bpr@shellx.best.com>
Subject: Re: newbie Q: storage management
Date: 1997/05/09
Date: 1997-05-09T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970509120443.10301B-100000@shellx.best.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: E9w2oL.Hu7@world.std.com


On Fri, 9 May 1997, Robert A Duff wrote:
> In article <JSA.97May7204713@alexandria>, Jon S Anthony <jsa@alexandria> wrote:
> >> purpose of a GC annex would be to standardize whatever hooks there are
> >> (such as procedures for turning it off and on, specifying how many
> >> generations you want, and so forth).  But even within the GC community,
> >> there are strong disagreements about what such hooks ought to look like
> >> -- some people don't like generational GC, so what's that hook supposed
> >> to mean?
> >
> >True enough.  One obvious way out of this for Ada is the generalized
> >version of what Robert called out as a "compromise": a subsystem of
> >generics which offered several variants.  A single global GC handling
> >all dynamic memory issues isn't really needed.  In fact, this is an
> >area where Ada could do something a little different by offering the
> >ability to have multiple collectors per application targetting the
> >specific needs of specific types (or classes of types).  This is the
> >sort of thing that I've been working on.
> 
> I'm very much looking forward to seeing what you've done (will it be
> public?) but I must say I'm skeptical.  All the GC folks say, "GC is a
> global problem", and I tend to agree.  I mean, if so-and-so- pool is
> GC'ed, you still have to find all the pointers into it.
> 
> - Bob

I've seen some similar ideas from the C++ community for a number of years,
so I think Jon's suggestions have merit. There are a number of collectors, 
of various levels of transparency, which can be accessed from 

	http://stork.ukc.ac.uk/computer_science/Html/Jones/gc.html

one of them, Cmm (ftp://ftp.di.unipi.it/pub/project/posso/cmm/) seems to 
be similar to what Jon is describing for Ada. There are also proposals on
how to make C++ "GC friendly" without changing it too much; since Ada is 
similar some of the same considerations apply. 

-- Brian





  parent reply	other threads:[~1997-05-09  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1997-04-29  0:00 newbie Q: storage management Kaz Kylheku
1997-04-30  0:00 ` Samuel A. Mize
1997-04-30  0:00   ` kaz
1997-04-30  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-02  0:00     ` Samuel A. Mize
1997-05-02  0:00       ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-03  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-03  0:00         ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-04  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-05  0:00         ` Samuel A. Mize
1997-05-03  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-05  0:00         ` Samuel A. Mize
1997-05-06  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-06  0:00             ` Robert A Duff
1997-05-08  0:00               ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-08  0:00                 ` John G. Volan
1997-05-09  0:00                   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-09  0:00                     ` John G. Volan
1997-05-13  0:00                       ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-13  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-09  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-13  0:00                   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-09  0:00                 ` Robert A Duff
1997-05-09  0:00                   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-10  0:00                     ` Robert A Duff
1997-05-12  0:00                       ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-09  0:00                   ` Brian Rogoff [this message]
1997-05-10  0:00                     ` Robert A Duff
1997-05-10  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-06  0:00           ` Michael F Brenner
1997-05-06  0:00             ` Assuaging sour grapes :-) [was: newbie Q: storage management] John G. Volan
1997-05-07  0:00               ` Stephen Posey
1997-05-07  0:00               ` Kevin Cline
1997-05-07  0:00                 ` John G. Volan
1997-05-07  0:00                   ` John G. Volan
1997-05-07  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-08  0:00                   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-08  0:00                 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-08  0:00               ` Dynamic binding of packages Nick Roberts
1997-05-08  0:00                 ` John G. Volan
1997-05-07  0:00             ` newbie Q: storage management Jeff Carter
1997-05-07  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-09  0:00               ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-05-10  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-04  0:00       ` Kevin Cline
1997-05-04  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-02  0:00   ` Samuel A. Mize
1997-05-04  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-30  0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-04-30  0:00 ` Marinus van der Lugt
1997-04-30  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-02  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-30  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-02  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-04  0:00     ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-04  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-02  0:00 ` Nick Roberts
1997-05-03  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1997-05-08  0:00 Jon S Anthony
1997-05-09  0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-09  0:00   ` Robert A Duff
1997-05-10  0:00     ` Fergus Henderson
1997-05-10  0:00       ` Robert A Duff
1997-05-12  0:00       ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-13  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-10  0:00 ` Fergus Henderson
1997-05-10  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-13  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
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