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From: John Howard <jhoward@sky.net>
Subject: re: Ada and robots
Date: 1997/06/29
Date: 1997-06-29T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.970629174108.20425A-100000@sky.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 867541382.23405@dejanews.com


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On Sat, 28 Jun 1997 puk@tc.umn.edu wrote:
> I don't understand how Ada got it's undeserved reputation
> of inadequate low-level interfacing capabilities. My guess
> is that it is somehow related to the C and assembly culture
> that says low-level interface code has to look a certain
> way, i.e. concise statements such as: r = (x << 2) && 8
> I have heard many a software person say this is how they can
> get to the "bare metal".

My guess is novices starting to program during the 1980's and accepting 
hearsay about early Ada systems as the gospel truth from then until
doomsday. (Byte magazine was very influential back then. Many people would 
also rely on the ads to see what was happening. Ads for Ada dwindled
because the readership was mostly PC oriented on miniscule systems. The
lasting impression was Ada was big, slow, overly protective, overly 
priced, and overkill for what you wanted to do.)

Justifiably some of the hearsay was true about those old Ada systems. But 
now there is a *new and improved* Ada standardized in 1995. With Ada you 
can usually code in assembler or use intrinsics when you have to. And
using Ada protected types with multitasking on the bare metal has the 
potential to provide speed and efficiency that even C can't match. 
Although a custom RTOS (designed with protected types in mind) + C
solution would be able to offer similar benefits.

www.adahome.com to see for yourself

> The reality of the situation is that the "bare metal" can be
> synthesized through a Hardware Description Language such as VHDL,
> which in fact has a very similar syntactical representation to Ada.
> Whole processor cores for devices such as the 8051 can be purchased
> as VHDL source code.
>
> A quiz: Which of the following package specs is Ada and which is VHDL?
>
> -- Language X
> library Bit_Level;
> use Bit_Level.all;
> package Register_File is
>
>    type R_File is array (Reg'Range) of Bit;
> 
> end Register_File;
> 
> -- Language Y
> with Bit_Level;
> use Bit_Level;
> package Register_File is
>
>    type R_File is array (Reg'Range) of Bit;
>
> end Register_File;

Good point.

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-- John Howard <jhoward@sky.net>               -- Team Ada  Team OS/2 --





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1997-06-29  0:00 ` John Howard [this message]
1997-07-02  0:00 Ada and robots Huy Vo
1997-07-04  0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
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1997-07-01  0:00 Huy Vo
1997-07-02  0:00 ` Wes Groleau
1997-06-30  0:00 Huy Vo
1997-07-01  0:00 ` Alan Brain
1997-07-11  0:00   ` Will Rose
1997-07-02  0:00 ` Mattias Sj�sv�rd
1997-06-26  0:00 Huy Vo
1997-06-27  0:00 ` nma123
1997-06-27  0:00 ` Wes Groleau
1997-06-27  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-27  0:00 ` Alan Brain
1997-06-27  0:00   ` Stephen Leake
1997-06-27  0:00   ` Wes Groleau
1997-06-27  0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-06-24  0:00 Huy Vo
1997-06-25  0:00 ` Wes Groleau
1997-06-25  0:00 ` Dale Stanbrough
1997-06-25  0:00 ` Alan Brain
1997-06-25  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-26  0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-07-01  0:00   ` Tom Moran
1997-06-20  0:00 Huy Vo
1997-06-23  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-19  0:00 ada " Jon S Anthony
1997-06-19  0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
1997-06-20  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-22  0:00   ` John G. Volan
1997-06-25  0:00     ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-06-23  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-24  0:00     ` Brian Rogoff
1997-06-16  0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1997-06-17  0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-18  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-18  0:00     ` Brian Rogoff
1997-06-20  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-23  0:00     ` Richard Kenner
1997-06-23  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-23  0:00     ` Geert Bosch
1997-07-02  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-25  0:00   ` Jonathan Guthrie
1997-06-25  0:00   ` Will Rose
1997-06-21  0:00 ` Nick Roberts
1997-06-16  0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1997-06-12  0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1997-06-09  0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1997-06-05  0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1997-06-05  0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1997-06-09  0:00 ` Jerry Petrey
1997-06-10  0:00   ` Alan Brain
1997-06-10  0:00     ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-11  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-11  0:00         ` Samuel Mize
1997-06-13  0:00           ` Erik Magnuson
1997-06-17  0:00         ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-18  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-19  0:00             ` Jonathan Guthrie
1997-06-20  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-11  0:00       ` Alan Brain
1997-06-11  0:00         ` Spam Hater
1997-06-11  0:00         ` Joe Gwinn
1997-05-28  0:00 John Bohn
1997-05-29  0:00 ` Michael F Brenner
1997-05-29  0:00 ` Stephen Leake
1997-05-30  0:00 ` John Cook
1997-05-30  0:00   ` Tom Moran
1997-06-01  0:00     ` Dale Stanbrough
1997-06-02  0:00       ` John G. Volan
     [not found]         ` <5mv984$7kn@news.emi.com>
1997-06-03  0:00           ` Martin A. Stembel
1997-06-03  0:00           ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-04  0:00             ` Pat Rogers
1997-06-05  0:00               ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-14  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-16  0:00                 ` Ken Garlington
1997-06-16  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-17  0:00                   ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-28  0:00                     ` Mike Stark
1997-07-03  0:00                       ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-04  0:00             ` John G. Volan
1997-06-05  0:00               ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-14  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-17  0:00                   ` Joe Gwinn
1997-07-03  0:00                     ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
     [not found]               ` <9706052229.AA29554@jaguar.nmc.ed.ray.com>
1997-06-06  0:00                 ` John G. Volan
1997-06-07  0:00                   ` RC
1997-06-09  0:00                   ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-05  0:00             ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-05  0:00               ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-14  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-10  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-10  0:00               ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-11  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-12  0:00                   ` George Haddad
1997-06-16  0:00                   ` Matthew S. Whiting
1997-06-17  0:00                     ` Stephen Leake
1997-06-17  0:00                       ` Robert A Duff
1997-06-20  0:00                       ` jim granville
1997-06-21  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-29  0:00                         ` Matthew Heaney
1997-07-03  0:00                           ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-07-13  0:00                             ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-17  0:00                     ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-17  0:00                       ` Matthew S. Whiting
1997-06-18  0:00                         ` Robert A Duff
1997-06-18  0:00                         ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-22  0:00                           ` John G. Volan
1997-06-18  0:00                         ` Samuel Mize
1997-06-18  0:00                           ` Matthew S. Whiting
1997-06-17  0:00                     ` Samuel Mize
1997-06-18  0:00                       ` Steve O'Neill
1997-06-19  0:00                         ` Anonymous
1997-06-19  0:00                       ` Kenneth W. Sodemann
1997-06-20  0:00                       ` Stephen Leake
1997-06-20  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-17  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-17  0:00                     ` Robert A Duff
1997-06-18  0:00                       ` Ken Garlington
1997-07-17  0:00                         ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-06-20  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-20  0:00                       ` Adam Beneschan
1997-06-04  0:00         ` RC
1997-06-04  0:00           ` John G. Volan
1997-06-04  0:00           ` Larry Kilgallen
1997-06-05  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-02  0:00     ` Nick Roberts
1997-06-04  0:00       ` Jan Galkowski
1997-06-05  0:00         ` Albert K. Lee
1997-06-06  0:00           ` dana
1997-06-07  0:00             ` John G. Volan
1997-06-10  0:00               ` dana
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