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From: Richard Riehle <rriehle@nunic.nu.edu>
Subject: Re: OO, C++, and something much better!
Date: 1997/01/27
Date: 1997-01-27T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.970115142049.24542A-100000@nunic.nu.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 32D536C6.64880EEB@eiffel.com




On Thu, 9 Jan 1997, Bertrand Meyer wrote:

> To the four properties listed in my original I should also add two
> just as essential requirements: true multiple inheritance, for combining
> different abstractions (and with the right mechanisms to avoid any
> ambiguity or conflict); and, most importantly, Design by Contract
> and the rules on how assertions combine with inheritance. As someone
> remarked, it is really impossible to understand inheritance without
> understanding Design by Contract.

  Bertrand,

  I understand that the notion of "design by contract" was probably
  your original contribution to the literature, and I also realize
  that your concept of it is inextricably linked to the Eiffel 
  model for assertions.  However, I would like to suggest another
  view of the same idea.

  Assertions, as I understand them are predominately a run-time
  check on the software entities.  If I may oversimply, Preconditions
  "require" that certain propositions are true for a feature to begin
  executing, Postconditions "ensure" the other propositions are true upon
  leaving a routine, and Invariants guarantee that certain 
  entities remain intact during execution. While this description does
  seem to oversimplify the Eiffel design of assertions, I hope it will not
  offend you.  

  The Eiffel assertion model contains all of the elements of an Ada
  type, though an Ada data type does not contain all the elements of
  an Eiffel assertion.  When I say, 

            type T is ... ;

  I am saying for T that there is a set of assertions which are post-,
  pre-, and invariant.  These assertions, implied to be sure, are also
  checked at run-time.  I am saying by the declaration for T, that
  there is a minimum value for T, a maximum value, and any routine
  that uses T must not let it stray from that range.  Also, in Ada 95,
  I can check the validity of that value at any time using the 
  expression,

            if T1'Valid then ... end if;

  where T1 is a value of type T.  

  My question is, can one write an invalid assertion in Eiffel?  That is,
  can the expression  for an assertion be some complex that it contains
  the very kind of error that we are trying to avoid with procedural
  code?

  If I define an assertion,


              require
                   some complex mathematical expression
              ensure
                   another complex expression
  
  is there some mechnism inherent in Eiffel that can evaluate my
  assertions for correctness?

  The Ada model for pre-, post- and invariant conditions is, to be sure,
  more conservative and less sophisticated than designed into Eiffel. But
  that very conservatism contributes to the simplicity of the process of
  creating specifications. 

  Although Ada software developers do not customarily use the expression,
  "design by contract," that is exactly what they are doing whenever they
  design their own data types and specify the acceptable ranges and
  boundaries acceptable for those types.  

  As for the assertion mechanism, itself, there is probably no reason
  why a compiler publisher could not add to an implementation three
  pragmas,

          pragma Precondition  ( expression )
          pragma Postcondition ( expression )
          pragma Invariant     ( expression )

  but in so doing we must ask whether the addition of such pragmas would
  really make the resulting program more reliable than it was using 
  the more conservative model of simple type definition.

  Bertrand, on a personal note, I am glad to see you engaged in this
  dialogue.  We need more of this level of discussion here. Thanks.


  Richard










  reply	other threads:[~1997-01-27  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 571+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1997-01-01  0:00 What is wrong with OO ? Ell
1997-01-01  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-02  0:00   ` Robert C. Martin
1997-01-03  0:00     ` Eirik Mangseth
1997-01-03  0:00       ` What is wrong with OO O X g Greg Comeau
1997-01-04  0:00         ` OO, C++, and something much better! John (Max) Skaller
1997-01-04  0:00           ` vlad
1997-01-05  0:00           ` Mike Anderson
1997-01-06  0:00           ` Chris Brand
1997-01-06  0:00           ` Stanley Allen
1997-01-09  0:00             ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-08  0:00     ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-01-09  0:00     ` Bertrand Meyer
1997-01-27  0:00       ` Richard Riehle [this message]
1997-01-10  0:00     ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-01-10  0:00     ` Robb Nebbe
1997-01-03  0:00   ` What is wrong with OO ? Matt Austern
1997-01-03  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-04  0:00   ` Valerie Torres
1997-01-06  0:00     ` Bart Samwel
1997-01-08  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-09  0:00         ` William Clodius
1997-01-09  0:00         ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-09  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-10  0:00             ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-10  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-09  0:00           ` Richie Bielak
1997-01-10  0:00             ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-09  0:00         ` Bertrand Meyer
1997-01-09  0:00           ` Ken Garlington
1997-01-09  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-10  0:00             ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-10  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-12  0:00                 ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-09  0:00           ` Jay Martin
1997-01-09  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-10  0:00               ` Jay Martin
1997-01-12  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-15  0:00                   ` Laurent Gasser
1997-01-15  0:00                     ` Jonas Nygren
1997-01-17  0:00                       ` Tom Bushell
1997-01-17  0:00                         ` Michael Malak
1997-01-17  0:00                           ` Kent Budge, sandia, 
1997-01-17  0:00                         ` Eirik Mangseth
1997-01-15  0:00                     ` Jay Martin
1997-01-10  0:00               ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-10  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-12  0:00                   ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-12  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-10  0:00                 ` Ken Garlington
1997-01-10  0:00               ` Jay Martin
1997-01-10  0:00                 ` Joe Buck
1997-01-11  0:00                   ` Jay Martin
1997-01-12  0:00             ` Slavik Zorin
1997-01-11  0:00           ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-01-12  0:00             ` Thierry Goubier
1997-01-14  0:00               ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-01-14  0:00             ` Vos nom et pr�nom
1997-01-16  0:00               ` Mark Woodruff
1997-01-17  0:00               ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-01-09  0:00         ` Ken Garlington
1997-01-09  0:00         ` Simon Willcocks
1997-01-09  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-10  0:00         ` Bart Samwel
1997-01-10  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-10  0:00           ` Michael Malak
1997-01-10  0:00             ` Bart Samwel
1997-01-12  0:00               ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-09  0:00       ` Bjarne Stroustrup
1997-01-11  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-15  0:00           ` Bjarne Stroustrup
1997-01-19  0:00             ` Jay Martin
1997-01-27  0:00               ` Robert C. Martin
1997-01-30  0:00                 ` Damon Feldman
1997-01-20  0:00             ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-01-21  0:00               ` John W. Sarkela
1997-01-23  0:00               ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-01-23  0:00             ` Bertrand Meyer
1997-01-24  0:00               ` language marketing question, was " Tom Moran
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     [not found]                     ` <rmartin-3101971753460001@pool15-027.wwa.com>
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1997-02-11  0:00                             ` Worse is better, was: Language marketing question Bob Haugen
1997-02-11  0:00                               ` Donald M. MacQueen
1997-02-11  0:00                                 ` Lee Willis
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1997-02-13  0:00                             ` language marketing question, was Re: What is wrong with OO ? Robert Dewar
1997-01-25  0:00               ` Damon Feldman
1997-01-26  0:00             ` Sean Case
1997-01-26  0:00               ` William Grosso
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` Paul Keister
1997-01-28  0:00               ` Dann Corbit
1997-01-12  0:00         ` Matt Telles
1997-01-15  0:00           ` Bjarne Stroustrup
1997-01-19  0:00             ` Matthew Heaney
1997-01-12  0:00         ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-13  0:00           ` Bart Samwel
1997-01-14  0:00         ` Vos nom et pr�nom
1997-01-16  0:00           ` Patrick Doyle
1997-01-16  0:00             ` Risto Lankinen
1997-01-16  0:00               ` Patrick Doyle
1997-01-16  0:00                 ` Risto Lankinen
1997-01-18  0:00                 ` Robert C. Martin
     [not found]           ` <01bc0269$3fd55b20$ca61e426@DCorbit.solutionsiq.com>
1997-02-10  0:00             ` richard
1997-02-10  0:00               ` Nick Leaton
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1997-02-21  0:00                   ` Nick Leaton
1997-02-21  0:00                   ` Nick Leaton
1997-02-22  0:00                     ` Fergus Henderson
1997-02-10  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-20  0:00         ` David Emery
     [not found]       ` <dewar.852772995@mer <dewar.852833957@merv>
1997-01-10  0:00         ` Simon Willcocks
1997-01-10  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-10  0:00             ` Marky Mark
1997-01-10  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-12  0:00                 ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-12  0:00                   ` Josh Stern
1997-01-12  0:00             ` Martin ELLISON
1997-01-14  0:00               ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-01-17  0:00     ` Lawrence G. Mayka
1997-01-19  0:00       ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-01-19  0:00         ` Exceptions as objects (was Re: What is wrong with OO ?) Patrick Doyle
1997-01-25  0:00           ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-01-25  0:00             ` Paul Kyzivat
1997-01-25  0:00             ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-25  0:00               ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-01-25  0:00             ` Ronald E Jeffries
1997-01-25  0:00               ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-01-29  0:00                   ` John W. Sarkela
     [not found]                     ` <yf33evav882.fsf@sabi.demon.co.uk>
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1997-02-12  0:00                         ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-01-29  0:00                   ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-30  0:00                   ` Lawrence G. Mayka
1997-01-30  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-29  0:00                 ` John (Max) Skaller
1997-01-25  0:00               ` Bryan Dollery
1997-01-28  0:00               ` Piercarlo Grandi
     [not found]             ` <5cu43v$jkn@nntpa.cb.lucent.com>
     [not found]               ` <5d93d3$nhs$1@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au>
1997-02-07  0:00                 ` Robert A Duff
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1997-02-07  0:00                       ` Vassili Bykov
1997-02-07  0:00                         ` Bill Gooch
1997-02-07  0:00                           ` Vassili Bykov
1997-02-08  0:00                         ` Fergus Henderson
1997-02-08  0:00                           ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-02-08  0:00                           ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-02-11  0:00                           ` Vassili Bykov
1997-02-07  0:00                     ` Patrick Doyle
1997-02-07  0:00                     ` Robert A Duff
1997-02-10  0:00                       ` Vassili Bykov
     [not found]                   ` <5de57h$dm3$1@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au>
1997-02-09  0:00                     ` Fergus Henderson
     [not found]               ` <yf3ybd14qn4.fsf@sabi.demon.co.uk>
     [not found]                 ` <5de797$1ksa@uni.library.ucla.edu>
1997-02-07  0:00                   ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-02-08  0:00                     ` Jay Martin
1997-01-04  0:00   ` OO, C++, and something much better! Pieter Schoenmakers
1997-01-06  0:00   ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen FOU.TD/DELAB
1997-01-06  0:00     ` Michael F Brenner
1997-01-06  0:00       ` Tucker Taft
1997-01-07  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-07  0:00       ` Ada Generics (was Re: OO, C++, and something much better!) Bob Gilbert
1997-01-07  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-08  0:00       ` OO, C++, and something much better! Robert Dewar
1997-01-07  0:00     ` Andrew Koenig
1997-01-10  0:00       ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-07  0:00     ` Jay Martin
1997-01-08  0:00       ` Ken Garlington
1997-01-08  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-08  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-09  0:00           ` Ted Dennison
1997-01-12  0:00     ` Richard Riehle
1997-01-07  0:00   ` Stanley Allen
1997-01-07  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-07  0:00       ` Bertrand Meyer
1997-01-08  0:00         ` Matthew Heaney
1997-01-08  0:00         ` Ken Garlington
1997-01-10  0:00       ` Keith Thompson
1997-01-10  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-10  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-15  0:00           ` Richard Kenner
1997-01-15  0:00             ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-20  0:00             ` Andrew Koenig
1997-01-25  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-15  0:00         ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen FOU.TD/DELAB
1997-01-07  0:00   ` What is wrong with OO ? Jon S Anthony
1997-01-11  0:00     ` Bjarne Stroustrup
1997-01-21  0:00       ` rharlos*cybercomm.net
1997-02-10  0:00       ` richard
1997-02-10  0:00         ` Charles A. Jolley
1997-02-11  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1997-02-12  0:00             ` C++ Class Loc Minh Phan Van
1997-02-12  0:00               ` William Ying
1997-02-12  0:00               ` Kevin J. Hopps
1997-02-12  0:00               ` Paul Kenneth Egell-Johnsen
1997-02-12  0:00               ` Aaron J Margosis
1997-02-12  0:00               ` Jason Shankel
1997-02-12  0:00               ` Kent Tong
1997-02-12  0:00               ` John Kapson [C]
1997-02-12  0:00               ` Keith P. Boruff
1997-02-12  0:00                 ` Vlastimil Adamovsky
1997-03-03  0:00                 ` C++ Class [ not a good answer ] Luis Espinal
1997-03-06  0:00                   ` Tom Plunket
1997-02-12  0:00               ` C++ Class Ron Smith
1997-02-13  0:00               ` Lee, Shih Hao
1997-02-17  0:00             ` What is wrong with OO ? Sam Inala
1997-02-17  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1997-02-15  0:00           ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-02-11  0:00         ` Vlastimil Adamovsky
1997-01-07  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-08  0:00   ` OO, C++, and something much better! Kohler Markus
1997-01-08  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-08  0:00     ` Mark A Biggar
1997-01-09  0:00       ` Don Harrison
1997-01-10  0:00         ` Roy Phillips
1997-01-27  0:00           ` Nick Leaton
1997-01-28  0:00             ` matthew mclellan
1997-01-09  0:00     ` Don Harrison
1997-01-09  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-10  0:00         ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-10  0:00         ` Ken Garlington
1997-01-10  0:00         ` Bart Samwel
1997-01-10  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-13  0:00         ` Don Harrison
1997-01-13  0:00           ` Ken Garlington
1997-01-13  0:00             ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-13  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-15  0:00               ` Ken Garlington
1997-01-17  0:00                 ` Keith Thompson
1997-01-16  0:00               ` Keith Thompson
1997-01-16  0:00                 ` Ken Garlington
1997-01-14  0:00             ` Don Harrison
1997-01-14  0:00             ` Michael F Brenner
1997-01-13  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-14  0:00             ` Don Harrison
1997-01-10  0:00       ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-13  0:00         ` Don Harrison
1997-01-13  0:00           ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-01-15  0:00             ` Don Harrison
1997-01-13  0:00           ` Don Harrison
1997-01-14  0:00             ` Jeff Carter
1997-01-15  0:00               ` Don Harrison
1997-01-17  0:00                 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-17  0:00                 ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-18  0:00             ` Patrick Doyle
1997-01-20  0:00             ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-08  0:00   ` David Emery
1997-01-09  0:00     ` Don Harrison
1997-01-10  0:00       ` Marky Mark
1997-01-14  0:00         ` Don Harrison
1997-01-10  0:00   ` What is wrong with OO ? Robert I. Eachus
1997-01-12  0:00     ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-01-10  0:00   ` OO, C++, and something much better! Matt Austern
1997-01-10  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-10  0:00   ` What is wrong with OO ? Pieter Schoenmakers
1997-01-12  0:00     ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-12  0:00   ` Chris Morgan
1997-01-12  0:00   ` Chris Morgan
1997-01-11  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-13  0:00   ` Chris Morgan
1997-01-13  0:00   ` Pieter Schoenmakers
1997-01-13  0:00     ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-13  0:00   ` ak
1997-01-23  0:00   ` Chris Bitmead
1997-01-23  0:00   ` Bertrand Meyer
1997-01-26  0:00     ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-01-23  0:00   ` Ulrich Windl
1997-01-08  0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1997-01-08  0:00 OO, C++, and something much better! Sazonov Cyril
1997-01-11  0:00 ` Bjarne Stroustrup
1997-01-16  0:00 Jon S Anthony
1997-01-17  0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-01-16  0:00   ` Matthew Heaney
1997-01-17  0:00     ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-17  0:00       ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-17  0:00         ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-18  0:00           ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-17  0:00             ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-20  0:00               ` Damon Feldman
1997-01-19  0:00                 ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-20  0:00                   ` Bill Gooch
1997-01-20  0:00                   ` David Hanley
1997-01-21  0:00                     ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-22  0:00                       ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-22  0:00                         ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-23  0:00                         ` Bob Jarvis
1997-01-20  0:00                   ` Graham Hughes
1997-01-21  0:00                     ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-21  0:00                       ` Matt Kennel
1997-01-21  0:00                       ` Marc Robertson
1997-01-24  0:00                         ` Mark Windholtz
1997-01-27  0:00                           ` David Hanley
1997-01-28  0:00                             ` Eric Clayberg
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1997-01-28  0:00                               ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-29  0:00                                 ` David Hanley
1997-01-29  0:00                                   ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-28  0:00                             ` David Hanley
1997-01-28  0:00                         ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-29  0:00                           ` Matt Kennel
1997-01-30  0:00                             ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-30  0:00                               ` David L. Shang
1997-01-29  0:00                         ` Jun Nolasco
1997-01-22  0:00                       ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-22  0:00                         ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-22  0:00                           ` Graham Hughes
1997-01-23  0:00                             ` Mark Woodruff
1997-01-23  0:00                             ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-23  0:00                               ` Claus Reinke
1997-01-25  0:00                                 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-24  0:00                                   ` Static vs. Dynamic typing again (was Re: OO, C++, and something much better!) Robb Nebbe
1997-01-25  0:00                                     ` OO, C++, and something much better! David N. Smith
1997-01-25  0:00                                   ` Lawrence G. Mayka
1997-01-25  0:00                                   ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-28  0:00                                   ` Claus Reinke
1997-01-24  0:00                               ` Don Harrison
1997-01-24  0:00                                 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-28  0:00                                   ` Don Harrison
1997-01-24  0:00                             ` Richard A. O'Keefe
     [not found]                               ` <E4voIF.86o@world.std.com>
1997-02-12  0:00                                 ` Ulf Schuenemann
1997-01-23  0:00                           ` Robb Nebbe
1997-01-23  0:00                             ` David Hanley
1997-01-25  0:00                             ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-23  0:00                           ` Matt Kennel
1997-01-25  0:00                             ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-27  0:00                             ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-24  0:00                           ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-24  0:00                             ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-26  0:00                             ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-28  0:00                             ` Alan Knight
1997-01-29  0:00                               ` Nick Leaton
     [not found]                             ` <32E9BAAC. <5ce8t3$6gv@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>
1997-01-28  0:00                               ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-29  0:00                             ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-30  0:00                             ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-24  0:00                           ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-01-22  0:00                         ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-25  0:00                         ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-27  0:00                         ` Rolf Breuning
1997-01-27  0:00                         ` Ed Shirk
1997-01-22  0:00                   ` Damon Feldman
1997-01-29  0:00                   ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-25  0:00                 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-25  0:00                 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-26  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-27  0:00                     ` Bob Jarvis
1997-01-27  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-27  0:00                         ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-27  0:00                         ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-29  0:00                           ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-27  0:00                         ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-29  0:00                           ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-29  0:00                             ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-29  0:00                               ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-27  0:00                         ` Matthew Heaney
1997-01-27  0:00                     ` Samuel S. Shuster
1997-01-27  0:00                       ` Richard Kenner
1997-01-29  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-30  0:00                           ` Eirik Mangseth
1997-01-28  0:00                       ` Jun Nolasco
1997-01-29  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-29  0:00                         ` Richard Kenner
1997-01-29  0:00                           ` David Hanley
1997-01-29  0:00                             ` Richard Kenner
1997-01-30  0:00                           ` Nick Leaton
1997-01-30  0:00                             ` Richard Kenner
1997-01-30  0:00                               ` Nick Leaton
1997-01-30  0:00                             ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-28  0:00                     ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-02-08  0:00                   ` Robin Rosenberg
1997-01-27  0:00                 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-29  0:00                   ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-29  0:00                   ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-27  0:00                 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-27  0:00                 ` David Hanley
1997-01-29  0:00                   ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-29  0:00                     ` Dennis Smith
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-28  0:00                   ` Matt Kennel
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` David Hanley
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` Luther Hampton
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` David Hanley
1997-01-28  0:00                   ` Jacqueline U. Robertson
1997-01-29  0:00                     ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-29  0:00                     ` David Hanley
1997-01-30  0:00                     ` Robert C. Martin
     [not found]                       ` <5cr068$gpa@uni.library.ucla.edu>
1997-06-27  0:00                         ` David Shang
1997-06-28  0:00                           ` Mike Stark
1997-06-28  0:00                           ` Ronald E Jeffries
1997-06-29  0:00                           ` Mike Anderson
1997-06-29  0:00                             ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-30  0:00                               ` Kohler Markus
1997-01-29  0:00                   ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-29  0:00                 ` David Hanley
1997-01-29  0:00                 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-29  0:00                 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-29  0:00                 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-29  0:00                 ` Rolf Breuning
1997-01-20  0:00               ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-19  0:00                 ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-25  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-27  0:00                 ` Bob Jarvis
1997-01-27  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-25  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-26  0:00                 ` James O'Connor
1997-01-26  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-26  0:00                   ` George Wolke
1997-01-27  0:00                   ` Jerry van Dijk
1997-01-28  0:00                     ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-28  0:00                       ` Jerry van Dijk
1997-01-29  0:00                       ` Stanley R. Allen
1997-01-30  0:00                         ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-29  0:00                   ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-19  0:00             ` Soren Skogstad Nielsen
1997-01-20  0:00             ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-26  0:00               ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-21  0:00             ` Matthew S. Whiting
1997-01-21  0:00             ` Matthew S. Whiting
1997-01-22  0:00               ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-22  0:00                 ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-22  0:00                 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-23  0:00                   ` Don Harrison
1997-01-27  0:00                     ` John Woods
1997-01-28  0:00                       ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-24  0:00                   ` Andy Bower
1997-01-25  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-26  0:00                       ` William Clodius
1997-01-25  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-26  0:00                       ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-26  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-26  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-27  0:00                   ` Robert C. Martin
1997-01-29  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-29  0:00                       ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-22  0:00                 ` Don Harrison
1997-01-22  0:00                   ` John Kuszewski
1997-01-23  0:00                     ` Don Harrison
1997-01-23  0:00                       ` Travis Griggs
1997-01-23  0:00                       ` Tansel Ersavas
1997-01-24  0:00                     ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-24  0:00             ` Tansel Ersavas
1997-01-24  0:00             ` Tansel Ersavas
1997-01-25  0:00               ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-26  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-26  0:00                   ` James O'Connor
1997-01-26  0:00                     ` TanselErsavas
1997-01-26  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-27  0:00                         ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-28  0:00                           ` Antoine Trux
1997-01-29  0:00                           ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-26  0:00                 ` Bob Haugen
1997-01-26  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-26  0:00                     ` TanselErsavas
1997-01-27  0:00                     ` Samuel S. Shuster
1997-01-26  0:00                   ` Larry J. Elmore
1997-01-26  0:00                     ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-27  0:00                   ` David Hanley
1997-01-25  0:00               ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-24  0:00             ` Tansel Ersavas
1997-01-25  0:00               ` Damon Feldman
1997-01-26  0:00                 ` Felix Beer
1997-01-28  0:00               ` Robert C. Martin
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` Matt Kennel
1997-01-29  0:00                 ` Del Archer
1997-01-27  0:00             ` David Hanley
1997-01-28  0:00             ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-28  0:00             ` Al Christians
1997-01-29  0:00             ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-02-21  0:00             ` Eric W. Nikitin
1997-02-21  0:00               ` Brian Rogoff
1997-02-21  0:00             ` Chris Bitmead
1997-02-24  0:00             ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-24  0:00               ` Brian Rogoff
1997-02-25  0:00                 ` Eric W. Nikitin
1997-01-21  0:00           ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-22  0:00             ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-23  0:00               ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-24  0:00                 ` traymond
1997-01-27  0:00                   ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-28  0:00                     ` traymond
1997-01-24  0:00                 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-27  0:00                   ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-28  0:00                     ` Tim Ottinger
1997-01-29  0:00                       ` Ted Dennison
1997-01-25  0:00                 ` Tansel Ersavas
1997-01-27  0:00                   ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-27  0:00                     ` Brian Rogoff
1997-01-30  0:00                       ` Tim Ottinger
1997-01-23  0:00             ` James O'Connor
1997-01-29  0:00               ` Stanley R. Allen
1997-01-30  0:00                 ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-27  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-19  0:00       ` Keith Thompson
1997-01-22  0:00     ` Don Harrison
1997-01-23  0:00       ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-01-23  0:00       ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-24  0:00         ` Don Harrison
1997-01-27  0:00           ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-20  0:00   ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen FOU.TD/DELAB
1997-01-24  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-26  0:00   ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-27  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-27  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-27  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-28  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-29  0:00   ` Stephen J Bevan
1997-01-21  0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-22  0:00   ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-01-27  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-27  0:00       ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-29  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-27  0:00     ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-27  0:00       ` Bob Jarvis
1997-01-28  0:00         ` Travis Griggs
1997-01-28  0:00       ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-28  0:00       ` Russ McClelland
1997-01-27  0:00   ` John Woods
1997-01-22  0:00 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-23  0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-24  0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-25  0:00 ` James O'Connor
1997-01-26  0:00   ` Lawrence G. Mayka
1997-01-26  0:00     ` James O'Connor
1997-01-25  0:00 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-25  0:00 ` Tansel Ersavas
1997-01-27  0:00 ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-02-07  0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-02-07  0:00   ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-02-12  0:00     ` Piercarlo Grandi
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1997-02-16  0:00             ` Piercarlo Grandi
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1997-02-17  0:00                 ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-02-13  0:00     ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-02-13  0:00       ` Alan Lovejoy
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1997-02-19  0:00             ` Mike Klein
1997-02-19  0:00           ` richard
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1997-02-18  0:00     ` Richard A. O'Keefe
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1997-02-20  0:00         ` Anders Pytte
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1997-02-19  0:00     ` Piercarlo Grandi
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1997-02-22  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
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