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From: Richard Riehle <rriehle@nunic.nu.edu>
Subject: Re: C is 'better' than Ada because...
Date: 1996/07/26
Date: 1996-07-26T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.92.960726113551.25896B-100000@nunic.nu.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 4rvr2j$2gb0@info4.rus.uni-s <nhn30yhw6t.fsf@paralysys


On 18 Jul 1996, Nasser Abbasi wrote:

The following absurdity is nested too deeply for me to determine
who actually authored it, but it cannot go without comment.


>    >What I said is that it's as easy to write high-quality software in
>    >assembler  as it is in any language.  It's not the language that's
>    >the problem.  It's the  programmer.  A high-quality programmer will
>    >turn out high-quality code regardless of the language, and a poor
>    >programmer will turn out poor quality code no matter how hard the
>    >language tries to prevent him.

  Putting aside any specific language for a moment, did the author of
  this little gem really believe what he wrote when he/she said"

    "... it's as easy to write high quality software in assembler
     as it is in any language"  ????

  While the "high quality" programmer is coding the two hundred lines
  of preparatory housekeeping code to implement some simple routine
  to open a file, the COBOL/Ada/C++ programmer is simply coding an
  "open" statement.  What's that, you say? You will use a "macro."
  Sorry, you are restricted to pure assembler. No constructs that
  are reminiscent of high-order languages are allowed.

  Even Forth programmers know the virtue of "abstraction."

  Language does make a difference.  Some languages are inherently
  dangerous. Some more than others.  A language such as COBOL 68/74
  which depends on global data is well-known for its difficulty in
  long-term maintenance.  That is why we saw COBOL 85 make it
  possible to fix that problem.  C, a universal assembler is known
  to be dangerous because of its dependence on pointer gymnastics.
  C++ brings some relief (though not enough). Eiffel, with all of its
  excellence, brings automatic garbage collection (as does Java) and
  limits its viability for certain classes of hard, real-time systems
  (HRTS) applications.

  Language does make a difference. And selecting the appropriate
  language can also make an important difference.

  Ada is weak in the availability of off-the-shelf development tools.
  I know some of you don't believe this, but take a look at your recent
  issue of Programmer's Paradise or other catalog of software development
  tools.  C++ is strong in the availability of tools.  If you want to
  do Windows 95 or NT programming today, your main option is C++.

  Language does make a difference.  If I have a serious effort in
  mathematics to complete, do you think I will turn down an opportunity
  to use Mathematica?  Well, I could always put a paper bag over its
  head and pretend it is Ada.

  Of course language makes a difference.

  Richard Riehle





  parent reply	other threads:[~1996-07-26  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 272+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1996-06-19  0:00 C is 'better' than Ada because Alan Brain
1996-06-20  0:00 ` Ron Thompson
1996-06-22  0:00 ` Nasser Abbasi
1996-06-22  0:00   ` David Morton
1996-06-22  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-23  0:00       ` The Deviant
1996-06-23  0:00         ` Michael Feldman
1996-06-23  0:00         ` John Winters
1996-06-23  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-24  0:00         ` token%/etc/HOSTNAME
1996-06-23  0:00     ` John Winters
1996-06-23  0:00       ` David Morton
1996-06-23  0:00         ` John Winters
1996-06-23  0:00           ` David Morton
1996-06-23  0:00         ` Lawrence Kirby
1996-06-27  0:00           ` ) OH NO "...begs the question..." Ralph Silverman
1996-06-28  0:00             ` Bill Wendling
1996-06-30  0:00   ` C is 'better' than Ada because Nasser Abbasi
1996-06-23  0:00 ` Nasser Abbasi
1996-06-23  0:00   ` Fergus Henderson
1996-06-23  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-28  0:00       ` Fergus Henderson
     [not found] ` <874508446wnr@t-cubed.demon.co.uk>
1996-06-29  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-06-29  0:00 ` Kevin D. Quitt
1996-06-29  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-30  0:00   ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-01  0:00     ` Mike Roske
1996-07-01  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-02  0:00       ` Ken Garlington
1996-07-03  0:00     ` Kevin D. Quitt
1996-07-04  0:00       ` Ian Ward
1996-07-05  0:00         ` Peter Amey
1996-07-05  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-10  0:00             ` James A. Squire
1996-07-15  0:00               ` Oliver Kellogg
1996-07-16  0:00                 ` Oliver Kellogg
1996-07-18  0:00                   ` Fraser Wilson
1996-07-18  0:00                     ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-19  0:00                   ` Keith Thompson
1996-07-17  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-11  0:00             ` James A. Squire
1996-07-16  0:00             ` Nasser Abbasi
1996-07-16  0:00               ` Mark A Biggar
1996-07-17  0:00             ` Laurent Guerby
1996-07-17  0:00               ` David Emery
1996-07-17  0:00             ` James A. Squire
1996-07-18  0:00             ` James A. Squire
1996-07-07  0:00           ` Kevin D. Quitt
1996-07-08  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-10  0:00               ` John F. Bode
1996-07-11  0:00                 ` Mike Roske
1996-07-10  0:00               ` Peter Hermann
1996-07-15  0:00                 ` Tim McGuire
1996-07-16  0:00                   ` Kevin D. Quitt
1996-07-16  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-18  0:00                     ` Ken Garlington
1996-07-19  0:00                       ` Kevin D. Quitt
1996-07-19  0:00                         ` Richard O'Rourke
1996-07-22  0:00                           ` Kevin D. Quitt
1996-07-22  0:00                             ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-23  0:00                               ` Theodore E. Dennison
1996-07-23  0:00                               ` Kevin D. Quitt
1996-07-24  0:00                                 ` Theodore E. Dennison
1996-07-24  0:00                                   ` Kevin D. Quitt
1996-07-25  0:00                                     ` Alan Brain
1996-07-25  0:00                                     ` Steve Howard
1996-07-27  0:00                                     ` Bob Kitzberger
1996-07-26  0:00                                   ` Mike Roske
1996-07-25  0:00                                 ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-25  0:00                                   ` Kevin D. Quitt
1996-07-26  0:00                                     ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-26  0:00                                     ` kennedy1
1996-07-23  0:00                               ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-07-24  0:00                                 ` Theodore E. Dennison
1996-07-27  0:00                                   ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-07-29  0:00                                     ` Dirk Dickmanns
1996-07-30  0:00                                       ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-07-31  0:00                                         ` Dirk Dickmanns
1996-07-31  0:00                                           ` Kevin D. Quitt
1996-08-01  0:00                                             ` Alan Brain
1996-08-02  0:00                                               ` Kevin D. Quitt
1996-08-05  0:00                                                 ` Byron B. Kauffman
1996-08-15  0:00                                               ` Mike Roske
1996-08-15  0:00                                                 ` David Shochat
1996-08-16  0:00                                                   ` Ken Garlington
1996-08-16  0:00                                                 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-08-16  0:00                                                 ` John Herro
1996-08-16  0:00                                                   ` John Herro
1996-08-05  0:00                                             ` Robb Nebbe
1996-08-02  0:00                                           ` Dirk Dickmanns
1996-07-31  0:00                                         ` whiting_ms@corning.com (Matt Whiting)
1996-07-29  0:00                                     ` Bob Kitzberger
1996-07-30  0:00                                       ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-07-30  0:00                                         ` Theodore E. Dennison
1996-07-30  0:00                                         ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-07-30  0:00                                           ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-07-29  0:00                                     ` Ada is 'better' than C because John Herro
1996-07-30  0:00                                       ` Brian Rogoff
1996-07-30  0:00                                         ` Adam Beneschan
1996-07-31  0:00                                         ` Franz Kruse
1996-08-04  0:00                                       ` Richard Riehle
1996-08-05  0:00                                         ` Sandy McPherson
1996-08-06  0:00                                           ` Ken Garlington
1996-08-06  0:00                                             ` GAFFNEY.BRIAN
1996-08-07  0:00                                               ` Ken Garlington
1996-08-08  0:00                                             ` Theodore E. Dennison
1996-08-08  0:00                                               ` Frank Lipski
1996-08-09  0:00                                             ` Sandy McPherson
1996-08-15  0:00                                             ` Mike Stark
1996-08-07  0:00                                           ` Bob Kitzberger
1996-08-08  0:00                                           ` Robert Dewar
1996-08-08  0:00                                             ` Kevin D. Quitt
1996-07-30  0:00                                     ` C is 'better' than Ada because Theodore E. Dennison
1996-08-08  0:00                                     ` Ada is 'better' than C because William Clodius
1996-08-09  0:00                                       ` Kevin D. Quitt
1996-08-09  0:00                                       ` Robert Dewar
1996-08-12  0:00                                       ` OBryan Anthony H
1996-08-12  0:00                                         ` Bob Kurtz
1996-08-12  0:00                                         ` Lawrence Kirby
1996-08-13  0:00                                         ` Tom Watson
1996-08-14  0:00                                         ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-29  0:00                                   ` C is 'better' than Ada because system
1996-07-30  0:00                                     ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-07-24  0:00                                 ` JamesS1889
1996-07-24  0:00                                 ` Dirk Dickmanns
1996-07-25  0:00                                 ` Alan Brain
1996-07-18  0:00                     ` Bob Gilbert
1996-07-19  0:00                       ` Kevin D. Quitt
     [not found]               ` <4rvr2j$2gb0@info4.rus.uni-s <nhn30yhw6t.fsf@paralysys>
1996-07-18  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-18  0:00                 ` Kevin D. Quitt
1996-07-26  0:00                 ` Richard Riehle [this message]
1996-07-08  0:00             ` Ian Ward
1996-07-18  0:00               ` Hamilton Link
1996-07-19  0:00                 ` Kevin D. Quitt
1996-07-08  0:00             ` C is 'better' than Ada ... NOT!! Hugh Dunne
1996-07-08  0:00               ` Frank Manning
1996-07-08  0:00               ` Kevin D. Quitt
1996-07-12  0:00                 ` C is 'better' than Ada because John F. Bode
1996-07-15  0:00                   ` Sandy McPherson
1996-07-18  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-19  0:00                       ` Theodore E. Dennison
1996-07-19  0:00                     ` Theodore E. Dennison
1996-07-19  0:00                     ` Ken Garlington
1996-07-20  0:00                       ` Michael Feldman
1996-07-21  0:00                         ` Alfonso Urdaneta
1996-07-21  0:00                           ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-22  0:00                             ` Kevin D. Quitt
1996-07-22  0:00                               ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-26  0:00                               ` Richard Riehle
     [not found]                             ` <31f3c52e.238719470 <Pine.GSO.3.92.960726122347.25896E-100000@nunic.nu.edu>
1996-07-31  0:00                               ` Darrin Smith
1996-07-31  0:00                                 ` Fergus Henderson
1996-08-01  0:00                                 ` Jerry van Dijk
1996-08-06  0:00                                   ` Kirk Bradley
1996-08-09  0:00                                   ` Richard Riehle
1996-08-10  0:00                                     ` Craig Franck
1996-08-16  0:00                                       ` Richard Riehle
1996-08-18  0:00                                         ` Craig Franck
     [not found]                                       ` <Pine.GSO.3.92.960816102000. <4v5pis$4h1@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net>
1996-08-18  0:00                                         ` David Weller
1996-08-15  0:00                                     ` Mike Stark
1996-08-02  0:00                                 ` Robert Dewar
     [not found]                             ` <31f3c52e.238719470 <4uj42h$j06@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net>
1996-08-11  0:00                               ` Doug & Rose Miller
1996-08-11  0:00                                 ` Craig Franck
1996-08-11  0:00                                   ` Doug & Rose Miller
1996-08-12  0:00                                     ` Craig Franck
1996-08-16  0:00                                       ` nasser
1996-08-11  0:00                             ` Jon S Anthony
     [not found]                             ` <31f3c52e.238719470 <4v5pis$4h1@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net>
1996-08-18  0:00                               ` Doug & Rose Miller
1996-08-20  0:00                                 ` Craig Franck
1996-07-23  0:00                         ` Ken Garlington
1996-07-27  0:00                       ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-07-27  0:00                         ` Lawrence Kirby
1996-07-29  0:00                         ` Ian Ward
1996-07-30  0:00                         ` Bob Cousins
1996-07-30  0:00                           ` Robert Dewar
1996-09-05  0:00                             ` Bob Cousins
1996-08-13  0:00                       ` Jon S Anthony
1996-08-14  0:00                         ` Craig Franck
1996-08-28  0:00                           ` Van Snyder
1996-08-14  0:00                       ` Jon S Anthony
1996-08-15  0:00                         ` Craig Franck
1996-08-15  0:00                           ` Joe Gwinn
1996-08-16  0:00                             ` Don Nelson
1996-08-19  0:00                               ` Joe Gwinn
1996-08-19  0:00                                 ` Ken Garlington
1996-08-28  0:00                         ` Van Snyder
1996-08-30  0:00                           ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-08-15  0:00                       ` Stefan 'Stetson' Skoglund
1996-08-15  0:00                       ` Jon S Anthony
1996-08-20  0:00                         ` nasser
1996-08-15  0:00                     ` David Weller
1996-08-15  0:00                       ` William  C Brennan
1996-07-10  0:00             ` Stephen M O'Shaughnessy
1996-07-10  0:00               ` Peter Seebach
1996-07-18  0:00             ` Brian Rogoff
1996-07-19  0:00             ` James A. Squire
1996-07-29  0:00             ` William Clodius
1996-07-30  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-31  0:00                 ` Tim Behrendsen
     [not found]                   ` <9608020139.AA29105@pulsar.telesoft>
1996-08-02  0:00                     ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-05  0:00                       ` Kevin D. Quitt
1996-08-06  0:00                         ` is Ada 'better' than C? (Was: Re: C is 'better' than Ada because...) Antoine Leca
1996-08-06  0:00                           ` Kevin D. Quitt
1996-07-30  0:00               ` C is 'better' than Ada because Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-07-30  0:00                 ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-01  0:00                   ` Byron B. Kauffman
1996-08-01  0:00                     ` Ian Ward
1996-07-31  0:00               ` Ralph Silverman
1996-07-30  0:00             ` William Clodius
1996-08-01  0:00               ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-07-30  0:00             ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-08-01  0:00               ` David Wheeler
1996-08-01  0:00             ` Olivier Devuns @pulsar
1996-08-11  0:00             ` Jon S Anthony
1996-08-12  0:00               ` Craig Franck
1996-08-12  0:00                 ` John Howard
1996-08-13  0:00                   ` Craig Franck
1996-08-13  0:00                     ` Ken Garlington
1996-08-14  0:00                       ` Craig Franck
1996-08-12  0:00                 ` James A. Squire
1996-08-12  0:00                   ` Craig Franck
1996-08-14  0:00                 ` Stephen M O'Shaughnessy
1996-08-14  0:00                 ` Stephen M O'Shaughnessy
     [not found]                 ` <Pine.GS <gwinn-1908961215100001@smc19.ed.ray.com>
1996-08-19  0:00                   ` Adam Beneschan
1996-08-11  0:00             ` Ada 95 is a FREE language (was: C is 'better' than Ada because...) Laurent Guerby
1996-08-13  0:00             ` C is 'better' than Ada because Jon S Anthony
1996-08-13  0:00             ` Jon S Anthony
1996-08-14  0:00             ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-08-19  0:00             ` Jon S Anthony
1996-08-20  0:00               ` Craig Franck
1996-08-20  0:00             ` Jon S Anthony
1996-08-21  0:00               ` Craig Franck
1996-08-27  0:00             ` Valentin Bonnard
1996-07-06  0:00         ` Walter B. Hollman Sr.
1996-07-05  0:00       ` Jon S Anthony
1996-07-08  0:00         ` Peter Hermann
1996-07-09  0:00           ` Dirk Dickmanns
1996-07-12  0:00       ` ntxbow
1996-07-15  0:00         ` Kevin D. Quitt
1996-07-15  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-16  0:00           ` Ian Ward
1996-07-17  0:00             ` Dale Stanbrough
1996-07-23  0:00       ` Jon S Anthony
1996-07-29  0:00       ` William Clodius
1996-07-31  0:00       ` Darin Johnson
1996-08-01  0:00         ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-01  0:00       ` Jon S Anthony
1996-08-01  0:00       ` Jon S Anthony
1996-08-05  0:00       ` Stefan 'Stetson' Skoglund
1996-08-16  0:00       ` Jon S Anthony
1996-07-01  0:00 ` James A. Squire
1996-07-02  0:00 ` Darin Johnson
1996-07-03  0:00   ` If your only tool is a hammer, all your problems look like nails (was Re: C is 'better' than Ada because...) Bruce Clement
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1996-07-30  0:00 C is 'better' than Ada because Spasmo
1996-07-31  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-08-01  0:00   ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-02  0:00     ` Ralph Silverman
     [not found] ` <01bb7e29$61e3d260$87ee6fce@timpent.airshields.com>
1996-07-31  0:00   ` Bob Kitzberger
1996-07-31  0:00     ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-01  0:00 Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-02  0:00 ` David Bonham
1996-08-02  0:00 ` Mark McKinney
     [not found] ` <9608061851.AA17508@camo.brc.shell.com>
1996-08-06  0:00   ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-01  0:00 William Clodius
1996-08-03  0:00 ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-05  0:00   ` Kevin D. Quitt
1996-08-05  0:00 ` Stefan 'Stetson' Skoglund
1996-08-05  0:00 ` William Clodius
1996-08-04  0:00 @#$%!?!
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     [not found] ` <4 <4vb399$kt8@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net>
1996-08-20  0:00   ` Adam Beneschan
1996-08-20  0:00     ` Craig Franck
1996-08-21  0:00     ` Mike Roske
1996-08-21  0:00       ` William  C Brennan
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