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From: Brian Rogoff <bpr@bpr.best.vwh.net>
Subject: Re: ada paper critic
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 18:10:20 +0000
Date: 2002-06-18T18:10:20+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.40.0206181804020.8333-100000@bpr.best.vwh.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aelhta$equ$1@nh.pace.co.uk>

On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Marin David Condic wrote:
> As an Ada True Believer in good standing and one who has used the language
> for a long number of years, I can honestly say that I cannot recall ever
> having decided to change an array reference into a function call, or the
> other way around. Maybe its just me. Maybe it was the application domains I
> have worked in. But generally, by the time I got to coding something up, the
> architecture of the program was pretty well a fixed decision and arrays
> stayed arrays and functions stayed functions. So maybe I just can't see why
> its such a big deal that arrays and functions have the same syntax - or for
> that matter why they should have separate syntax.

My point isn't that I hate Ada because it does this (I don't) but that the
argument that all people who wish Ada had distinct syntax for these
distinct notions aren't necessarily disgruntled C fans forced to use Ada.
In fact, the reason Ada does it this way isn't because it was argued and
the design team came to a consensus that the way it is done is best.

I also mentioned that it is too late to fix this wart. Even if you made me
the Grand Mullah of the Ada standard, I wouldn't change this now.

> Maybe in theory its better for Ada to have "A [X]" and "F (X)" syntax. Maybe
> in theory its worse. But it sure seems like if this is in any way a wart -
> its a *really* small one.

I find it harder to read Ada code because of this decision. Not a lot
harder, but harder.

-- Brian





  reply	other threads:[~2002-06-18 18:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 121+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-06-14 14:31 ada paper critic Alderson, Paul A.
2002-06-14 15:16 ` Darren New
2002-06-14 15:58 ` Andrew Maizels
2002-06-14 17:00   ` chris.danx
2002-06-14 18:44     ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-06-14 20:26       ` Immanuel Scholz
2002-06-14 22:06         ` Ehud Lamm
2002-06-14 22:01           ` Immanuel Scholz
2002-06-14 22:38             ` sk
2002-06-15 11:28               ` Immanuel Scholz
2002-06-15 18:10                 ` sk
2002-06-15 14:30               ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-15 17:36                 ` sk
2002-06-16  3:08                 ` Gautier
2002-06-16  0:05               ` AG
2002-06-16 21:05                 ` Gautier
2002-06-14 23:10             ` tmoran
2002-06-15 14:19         ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-15 23:04           ` Darren New
2002-06-15 23:38             ` Darren New
2002-06-17 10:56           ` Immanuel Scholz
2002-06-17 19:56             ` Brian Rogoff
2002-06-17 20:47               ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-18 18:10                 ` Brian Rogoff [this message]
2002-06-18 18:51                   ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-18 19:08                     ` Hyman Rosen
2002-06-18 20:47                       ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-19  5:28                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2002-06-18 14:01               ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-14 20:58 ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-14 21:30   ` Immanuel Scholz
2002-06-15  1:24     ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-06-15  3:02 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2002-06-15 21:54 ` AG
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-06-14 22:28 Gautier direct_replies_not_read
2002-06-15 14:43 ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-14 22:18 Beard, Frank [Contractor]
2002-06-15  1:38 ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-06-14 22:08 Beard, Frank [Contractor]
2002-06-14 20:36 Beard, Frank [Contractor]
2002-06-14 21:34 ` Immanuel Scholz
2002-06-15  4:14   ` Lyle McKennot
2002-06-14 20:06 Gautier no_direct_reply_please
2002-06-14 20:48 ` Baugereau
2002-06-15 14:38   ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-14 19:42 Gautier no_direct_reply_please
2002-06-15 15:08 ` Simon Wright
2002-06-15 22:52 ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-16  0:38   ` AG
2002-06-17 14:15     ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-18 13:52       ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-18 15:41         ` Darren New
2002-06-18 18:04         ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-06-19  1:04           ` Rod Haper
2002-06-16 22:19   ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-16 23:02     ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-17  7:07       ` Kevin Cline
2002-06-18 20:54         ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-18 22:15           ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-06-14  0:49 Immanuel Scholz
2002-06-14  1:28 ` Immanuel Scholz
2002-06-14  1:43   ` Dale Stanbrough
2002-06-14  4:53     ` David Marceau
2002-06-14  6:40       ` Dale Stanbrough
2002-06-14  6:49       ` Hyman Rosen
2002-06-14 12:18       ` Baugereau
2002-06-14 16:30         ` David Marceau
2002-06-14 17:34           ` Baugereau
2002-06-14 19:01             ` Wes Groleau
2002-06-14 19:43               ` Baugereau
2002-06-15  3:02                 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2002-06-15  9:49                   ` Pascal Obry
2002-06-17 15:53                     ` Dan Andreatta
2002-06-17 18:20                       ` Pascal Obry
2002-06-17 20:56                     ` Michael Bode
2002-06-17 21:18                       ` Pascal Obry
2002-06-16 21:52                   ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-14 20:02     ` Immanuel Scholz
2002-06-14  3:14   ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-14  4:35     ` Dale Stanbrough
2002-06-14  8:05       ` David Marceau
2002-06-14 12:31         ` Dale Stanbrough
2002-06-14 15:08         ` Darren New
2002-06-17  0:17           ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-14 19:05         ` Wes Groleau
2002-06-16  3:34           ` Dale Stanbrough
2002-06-16  3:32         ` Dale Stanbrough
2002-06-14  8:25       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-06-14 12:19         ` Immanuel Scholz
2002-06-14 14:51           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-06-14 15:09             ` Darren New
2002-06-16 22:49               ` Dmitry A.Kazakov
2002-06-16 15:07                 ` Jim Rogers
2002-06-17  4:06                   ` Darren New
2002-06-17  4:52                     ` Jim Rogers
2002-06-17  9:45                       ` David Marceau
2002-06-17 15:42                       ` Darren New
2002-06-17  3:59                 ` Darren New
2002-06-17 22:19                   ` Dmitry A.Kazakov
2002-06-14 12:58       ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-06-14 22:16         ` Dale Stanbrough
2002-06-15  1:22           ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-06-15  0:51             ` Dale Stanbrough
2002-06-15 11:49               ` Immanuel Scholz
2002-06-15 21:45             ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-14 14:59       ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-16  3:27         ` Dale Stanbrough
2002-06-16 22:18           ` Wes Groleau
2002-06-16 22:38           ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-14 15:00       ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-14 20:13         ` Wes Groleau
2002-06-14 18:52       ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-06-15 22:03         ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-16  1:58           ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-06-16  3:19             ` Dale Stanbrough
2002-06-16 22:20         ` Wes Groleau
2002-06-17  1:57           ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-06-17  2:16           ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-06-14 15:25   ` John R. Strohm
2002-06-15  4:05     ` Lyle McKennot
2002-06-17 13:32       ` Marin David Condic
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