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From: Brian Rogoff <bpr@shell5.ba.best.com>
Subject: Re: Compile time executed functions
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 21:56:49 GMT
Date: 2001-03-28T21:56:49+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0103281350250.12512-100000@shell5.ba.best.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <wcczoe5sihl.fsf@world.std.com>

On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Robert A Duff wrote:
> Ted Dennison<dennison@telepath.com> writes:
> 
> > After thinking about this some more, I'll go so far as to say that I don't think
> > there are *any* languages that supply this capability.
> 
> That's not correct.  The Bliss language has a macro facility that can
> use the full power of the language at compile time.  Lisp macros also
> allow the full power of Lisp at compile time.
> 
> As you point out, this means that you can have infinite loops at compile
> time.  In practise, that's not a big deal: you deal with infinite
> compile-time loops the same way as run-time ones.  If you think the
> thing is taking too long, you type control-C and investigate.  Or if
> you're doing a batch build, you set time-outs.  Or you could have the
> compiler count the number of iterations of each loop, and stop after
> "too many".  (After all, a very long loop is just as bad as an infinite
> one.)

That's just what C++ does with template instantiation, where the iteration
limit is set to 17 I think. Before that, you could express arbitrary
computations in the template language and do all sorts of interesting
things at compile time. This aspect of the language was unintentional I
think, but C++ programmers have been able to make good use of it. 

While I'm not generally fond of C++, this is actually one of those things
about the language I find very interesting. I'd like to see these ideas
explored in a future language that shed some of C++'s other baggage. 

Oh yeah, Mercury has a user defined iteration limit for resolving
instances of polymorphic recursion, since they opted to try to infer the 
types of polymorphically recursive functions and that problem is
undecidable. 

-- Brian





  reply	other threads:[~2001-03-28 21:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-03-27  7:10 Compile time executed functions Mats Karlssohn
2001-03-27 13:30 ` Ken Garlington
2001-03-28  7:08   ` Mats Karlssohn
2001-03-28 19:07     ` Phaedrus
2001-03-29  7:41       ` Mats Karlssohn
2001-03-29  5:02     ` Ken Garlington
2001-03-29  7:58       ` Mats Karlssohn
2001-03-29 14:28         ` Ken Garlington
2001-03-29 14:48           ` Ted Dennison
2001-04-04  7:52             ` Mats Karlssohn
2001-04-04 14:05               ` Ted Dennison
2001-04-05  6:30                 ` Mats Karlssohn
2001-03-29 19:48           ` Simon Wright
2001-03-31 19:30             ` Ken Garlington
2001-04-04  7:53             ` Mats Karlssohn
2001-03-30 10:41           ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2001-03-30 16:13             ` Ken Garlington
2001-03-30 16:47               ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2001-03-30 18:54                 ` Stephen Leake
2001-04-01  8:42                   ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2001-03-31 19:30                 ` Ken Garlington
2001-04-01  8:59                   ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2001-04-01 18:22                     ` Ken Garlington
2001-04-02  9:30                       ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2001-04-02 12:42                         ` Robert A Duff
2001-04-02 14:16                           ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2001-04-03  0:33                           ` Pat Rogers
2001-04-02 13:09                         ` Ken Garlington
2001-04-02 13:40                           ` Robert A Duff
2001-04-02 23:29                             ` Ken Garlington
2001-04-13 23:11                               ` Robert A Duff
2001-04-02 14:32                           ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2001-04-04  7:59             ` Mats Karlssohn
2001-04-04  7:47           ` Mats Karlssohn
2001-04-06  0:33             ` Ken Garlington
2001-04-09 12:21               ` Mats Karlssohn
2001-04-13 15:51                 ` Tucker Taft
2001-03-27 14:39 ` Ted Dennison
2001-03-27 16:40   ` Mark Biggar
2001-03-27 18:14   ` Florian Weimer
2001-03-27 18:15   ` Florian Weimer
2001-03-27 18:57     ` Ted Dennison
2001-03-27 19:22       ` Florian Weimer
2001-03-27 20:23         ` Ted Dennison
2001-03-27 22:15           ` Florian Weimer
2001-03-27 23:30             ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-03-28  9:54               ` Florian Weimer
2001-03-28 15:20             ` Ted Dennison
2001-03-28 16:12               ` David C. Hoos, Sr.
2001-03-28 21:15               ` Robert A Duff
2001-03-28 21:56                 ` Brian Rogoff [this message]
2001-03-29  8:18                 ` Mats Karlssohn
2001-03-29  8:11               ` Mats Karlssohn
2001-03-29 14:37                 ` Ted Dennison
2001-03-29 16:35                   ` Mark Biggar
2001-03-29 19:27                     ` Florian Weimer
2001-03-29 19:28                     ` Florian Weimer
2001-03-30  3:41                       ` Ken Garlington
2001-03-30  4:32                         ` Brian Rogoff
2001-03-30 14:27                           ` Compile time executed functions [OT] Karel Thönissen
2001-03-30 17:30                             ` Scheveningen (Re: Compile time executed functions [OT]) Ray Blaak
2001-03-30 17:39                             ` More {OT] (Was " Brian Rogoff
2001-03-30 23:39                               ` Karel Thönissen
2001-03-30 17:47                         ` Compile time executed functions Brian Hanson
2001-03-30  0:06                     ` Robert A Duff
2001-03-30 15:02                       ` Ted Dennison
2001-03-30 20:57                         ` Robert A Duff
2001-04-02 14:26                           ` Ted Dennison
2001-03-30 17:33                       ` Ray Blaak
2001-03-29  8:25               ` Florian Weimer
2001-03-28  7:17   ` Mats Karlssohn
2001-03-29  1:35   ` Jon S Anthony
2001-03-27 14:39 ` Robert A Duff
2001-03-27 15:09   ` Ted Dennison
2001-03-27 16:33     ` Robert A Duff
2001-03-27 23:36     ` Ken Garlington
2001-03-28 20:47     ` Mark Lundquist
2001-03-28  7:29   ` Mats Karlssohn
2001-03-28 22:15     ` Robert A Duff
2001-03-29  8:43       ` Mats Karlssohn
2001-03-31  4:12         ` Robert A Duff
2001-04-05  7:06           ` Mats Karlssohn
2001-04-13 23:18             ` Robert A Duff
2001-03-29  5:02     ` Ken Garlington
2001-03-28  7:31 ` Mats Karlssohn
2001-03-30  8:57 ` Georg Bauhaus
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