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From: Brian Rogoff <bpr@shell5.ba.best.com>
Subject: Re: Ada to C++ translator?
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 18:36:40 GMT
Date: 2001-02-21T18:36:40+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0102211030150.7325-100000@shell5.ba.best.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <v1Ek6.1931$tJ.94481472@newssvr10-int.news.prodigy.com>

On Wed, 21 Feb 2001, Ken Garlington wrote:
> To paraphrase my response to another claim that efficient tasking has been
> universally true since 1889 (e-mail me if you want the identity of "X", "Y"
> and "Z").

Wow, you've been hacking Ada WAY longer than I have ;-). 

[...snip...]
> As I've noted before, this sort of attitude makes it very difficult for me
> to sell Ada. From the same post:
> 
> "There's plenty of blame to go around with respect to Ada...
> 
> "6. And the one that got us here: Legitimate issues with the Ada language
> are
> attacked with religious zeal instead of reason. Compare Ada/Eiffel
> discussions with C/C++ discussions, then look at their penetration into the
> software engineering community. I think you'll see a correlation....

What I usually get annoyed by is the way that every defect of Ada is 
defended by BS like "Ada favors the reader over the writer, we don't care 
about the writer of code." That all sounds very good, but in the absence
of anything besides someone's opinion on what contributes to readability
and what detracts from it, it's just hot air. 

> On the projects where we used C++, I don't believe we've ever had anyone say
> we weren't "C++ enough" because we constrained the use of templates. Quite
> the contrary - there's an active effort to develop a standard C++ subset
> (EC++) for use in certain domains, without any fear of being arrested by the
> "C++ police" for subsetting the language. Why would someone want to use a
> language with a built-in Inquisition?

I don't understand your complaint in the context of "now", since there are 
Ada subsets (like SPARK) and I don't expect a Spanish Inquisition... 
uh-oh :-)

-- Brian





  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-02-21 18:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-02-09 19:17 Ada to C++ translator? Robert Brantley
2001-02-09 20:48 ` Britt Snodgrass
2001-02-09 23:35   ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-02-09 23:47   ` Brian Rogoff
2001-02-12 15:07     ` Ted Dennison
2001-02-12 15:49       ` Brian Rogoff
2001-02-13 19:36         ` Ted Dennison
2001-02-12 20:25       ` David C. Hoos, Sr.
2001-02-11 10:36 ` Gautier
2001-02-11 11:15   ` Pascal Obry
2001-02-11 11:15   ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2001-02-12 10:36     ` David C. Hoos, Sr.
2001-02-11 13:15   ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-02-11 14:50   ` Ken Garlington
2001-02-11 15:58   ` Florian Weimer
2001-02-11 17:05   ` Aaro Koskinen
2001-02-15 23:47   ` Robert Brantley
2001-02-16 15:20     ` Ted Dennison
     [not found]       ` <cyik6.1725$DE.61421700@newssvr10-int.news.prodigy.com>
     [not found]         ` <%Wvk6.102$aw5.380@www.newsranger.com>
2001-02-21  0:33           ` Ken Garlington
2001-02-21 10:54             ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2001-02-21 12:40               ` Ken Garlington
2001-02-21 12:56                 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2001-02-21 18:36             ` Brian Rogoff [this message]
2001-02-21 19:05               ` Marin David Condic
2001-02-21 21:26                 ` Simon Wright
2001-02-23 21:05                   ` Marin David Condic
2001-02-24  8:38                     ` Simon Wright
2001-02-24 16:22                     ` Nick Williams
2001-02-24 19:22                       ` Marin David Condic
2001-02-24 19:38                         ` Ken Garlington
2001-02-25 15:21                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-02-12 15:33 ` Ted Dennison
2001-02-12 22:34   ` UML (Was: Ada to C++ translator?) Frode Tennebø
2001-02-14  4:48     ` Ken Garlington
2001-02-14  6:19       ` Ray Blaak
2001-02-14 20:38       ` Nick Williams
2001-02-15  7:57         ` Ray Blaak
2001-02-15 11:14           ` Pierre Dissaux
2001-02-15 23:37   ` Ada to C++ translator? Robert Brantley
2001-02-16  0:34     ` tmoran
2001-02-16  4:59       ` Lao Xiao Hai
2001-02-16 15:20         ` Marin David Condic
2001-02-16 11:02     ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2001-02-16 13:34       ` Ken Garlington
2001-02-16 14:55         ` Marin David Condic
2001-02-16 21:04         ` tmoran
2001-02-16 15:44     ` Ted Dennison
2001-02-21 13:21       ` Bob Jacobs
2001-02-21 14:14         ` Ted Dennison
2001-02-21 14:59           ` Bob Jacobs
2001-02-21 15:58         ` Martin Dowie
2001-02-21 16:15           ` Bob Jacobs
2001-02-21 16:57             ` Ted Dennison
2001-02-22  1:39               ` Andrew Berg
2001-02-22  9:47                 ` STL for Ada (was: Re: Ada to C++ translator?) Stefan Nobis
2001-02-22 15:20                   ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-02-22 15:30                   ` Ted Dennison
2001-02-22 17:55                   ` Brian Rogoff
2001-02-22  9:09             ` Ada to C++ translator? Martin Dowie
2001-02-22 13:32               ` Bob Jacobs
2001-02-22 14:30               ` Ted Dennison
2001-02-22  9:17             ` Martin Dowie
2001-02-15 23:09 ` Robert Brantley
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-02-22 10:40 gautier
2001-02-22  9:24 gautier
2001-02-22 10:21 ` Martin Dowie
2001-02-21 15:44 gautier
1998-02-04  0:00 Ada to C translator ? Stewart French
1998-02-05  0:00 ` Gautier
1994-11-16 13:10 Eric Labbe
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