From: Brian Rogoff <bpr@shell5.ba.best.com>
Subject: Re: Operators -> unit analysis
Date: 2000/01/07
Date: 2000-01-07T00:00:00+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0001071330440.14070-100000@shell5.ba.best.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 855k4e$8q4$1@nntp6.atl.mindspring.net
On 7 Jan 2000, Terry Sikes wrote:
> In article <wcc9022izjp.fsf@world.std.com>,
> Robert A Duff <bobduff@world.std.com> wrote:
>
> >>...I'd think that this would be better received if it
> >> was tied to the Numerics annex, since certainly this would be the
> >> major area of use.
> >
> >Perhaps, but most numerics code is done in Fortran, and it doesn't
> >bother with all this fancy stuff either.
>
> Which is why so many people are searching for something better, and
> why so much numerical code is being translated into C++ (despite its
> obvious deficiencies).
Yes indeed, I thought that the "well Fortran doesn't do it" excuse sounded
quite weak. If you strive to be just as good as Fortran then there is no
reason to switch!
Tucker Taft's explanation that he feels additional operators compromise
readability is the expected Ada response, but I disagree. Certainly
overuse of infixes is bad, but I think Ada (or a future Ada-like
language) could use either a few more reusable infixes or a more general
scheme. Honestly though, while I'm firmly in the "gimme more infixes" camp,
I think this is a fairly minor issue.
I've also noticed that lots of new numerics (and I include DSP and image
processing here) code is written in C or C++. If you really want to see
some interesting bleeding edge stuff, check out www.fftw.org, the
"Fastest Fourier Transform in the West", which won the Third Wilkinson
Prize for Numerical Software. While the web page describes it as a C
library for computing the DFT, the interesting part is actually the
codelet generator which outputs the C, and that is written in OCaml, my
other favorite language.
-- Brian
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2000-01-07 0:00 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
1999-12-23 0:00 Ada Brijesh
1999-12-23 0:00 ` Ada reason67
1999-12-23 0:00 ` Ada Robert Dewar
2000-01-03 0:00 ` Ada Terry Sikes
2000-01-03 0:00 ` Ada Hyman Rosen
2000-01-04 0:00 ` Ada Florian Weimer
2000-01-04 0:00 ` Ada Hyman Rosen
2000-01-04 0:00 ` Ada Brian Rogoff
2000-01-04 0:00 ` Ada Robert Dewar
2000-01-04 0:00 ` Ada Hyman Rosen
2000-01-04 0:00 ` Ada Robert A Duff
2000-01-04 0:00 ` Ada Hyman Rosen
2000-01-04 0:00 ` Ada Terry Sikes
2000-01-05 0:00 ` Operators -> unit analysis Charles Hixson
2000-01-05 0:00 ` Hyman Rosen
2000-01-05 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
2000-01-05 0:00 ` Pat Rogers
2000-01-05 0:00 ` Charles Hixson
2000-01-05 0:00 ` Ted Dennison
2000-01-06 0:00 ` Charles Hixson
2000-01-06 0:00 ` Samuel T. Harris
2000-01-07 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
2000-01-07 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
2000-01-07 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
2000-01-08 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
2000-01-08 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
2000-01-10 0:00 ` Operator precedence--was " Howard W. LUDWIG
2000-01-14 0:00 ` Mark A Biggar
2000-01-07 0:00 ` Ted Dennison
2000-01-07 0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
2000-01-05 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
2000-01-05 0:00 ` Charles Hixson
2000-01-06 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
2000-01-06 0:00 ` Terry Sikes
2000-01-06 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
2000-01-07 0:00 ` Terry Sikes
2000-01-07 0:00 ` Brian Rogoff [this message]
2000-01-07 0:00 ` Ted Dennison
2000-01-07 0:00 ` Tucker Taft
2000-01-08 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
2000-01-10 0:00 ` Tucker Taft
2000-01-10 0:00 ` Florian Weimer
2000-01-04 0:00 ` Ada Richard D Riehle
2000-01-04 0:00 ` Ada Hyman Rosen
2000-01-04 0:00 ` Ada Robert A Duff
2000-01-04 0:00 ` Ada Richard D Riehle
2000-01-04 0:00 ` Ada Robert Dewar
2000-01-04 0:00 ` Ada Terry Sikes
2000-01-05 0:00 ` Ada Robert Dewar
2000-01-05 0:00 ` Ada Terry Sikes
2000-01-06 0:00 ` Ada Al Christians
2000-01-06 0:00 ` Ada Terry Sikes
2000-01-07 0:00 ` Ada Robert Dewar
1999-12-23 0:00 ` Ada Greg Martin
1999-12-23 0:00 ` Ada Robert Dewar
1999-12-23 0:00 ` Ada tmoran
1999-12-23 0:00 ` Ada Roger Racine
1999-12-28 0:00 ` Ada Marin D. Condic
1999-12-31 0:00 ` Ada Richard D Riehle
2000-01-02 0:00 ` Ada Marin D. Condic
2000-01-02 0:00 ` Ada Robert Dewar
2000-01-02 0:00 ` Ada Marin D. Condic
2000-01-03 0:00 ` Ada Ted Dennison
2000-01-03 0:00 ` Ada Robert Dewar
2000-01-03 0:00 ` Ada Marin D. Condic
2000-01-03 0:00 ` Ada Roger Racine
2000-01-03 0:00 ` Ada Larry Kilgallen
2000-01-04 0:00 ` Ada Charles Hixson
2000-01-13 0:00 ` Ada Magnus Alexandersson
2000-01-13 0:00 ` Ada Magnus Alexandersson
2000-01-14 0:00 ` Ada Tarjei T. Jensen
2000-01-14 0:00 ` Ada Larry Kilgallen
2000-01-14 0:00 ` Ada Marin D. Condic
2000-01-14 0:00 ` Ada Magnus Alexandersson
2000-01-14 0:00 ` Ada Marin D. Condic
1999-12-23 0:00 ` Ada Jon Jensen
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2000-01-08 0:00 Operators -> Unit Analysis mfeldman
replies disabled
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox