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From: Ehud Lamm <mslamm@mscc.huji.ac.il>
Subject: Re: From extended Pascals to Ada 95 guide
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 17:45:12 +0300
Date: 2000-09-11T14:45:15+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96-heb-2.07.1000911173739.133986A-100000@pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <39BCD7AF.50DD8148@brighton.ac.uk>

On Mon, 11 Sep 2000, John English wrote:

|Stefan Skoglund wrote:
|> 
|> note also that you need to imprint real early on a small taste
|> of OOP.
|
|Indeed.

I am really not sure about this.
Sometimes good intentions lead to bad results... Indeed, exposure to OO
concepts is important, however in my experiense those who learned Java
first have huge problems with simple imperative notions like loops and
structured programing (i.e., breaking code into routines).
I find that, when taught well, most students with Pascal/C background
learn the OOP approach rather easily (Note: I am not talking about
becoming experts in patterns, frameworks or the more inticate uses of
inheritance). 
However, it is quite uncommon to tell students who learned Java as a first
language, that they have to take a course on "structured programming" -
only so that they relearn about loops and such,.
Since this is not done, they usually stay, almost, programming
illiterate. 


Who knows? Maybe the best approach will be to teach a functinal/object
language first... :-)

Ehud Lamm mslamm@mscc.huji.ac.il
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  reply	other threads:[~2000-09-11 14:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 88+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2000-08-24  0:00 From extended Pascals to Ada 95 guide gdemont
2000-08-24  0:00 ` James Smith
2000-08-24  0:00   ` ODRe: " Richard Riehle
2000-08-29  0:00     ` James Smith
2000-08-30  0:00       ` Marco van de Voort
2000-08-25  0:00   ` Robert Deininger
2000-08-25  0:00   ` Gautier
2000-08-25  0:00     ` Preben Randhol
2000-08-25  0:00       ` Pat Rogers
2000-08-25  0:00         ` Marin D. Condic
2000-08-25  0:00           ` Larry Elmore
2000-08-26  0:00             ` Dimmy Timchenko
2000-08-26  0:00             ` Marin D. Condic
2000-08-27  0:00               ` David Botton
2000-08-27  0:00                 ` Marin D. Condic
2000-08-27  0:00                   ` David Botton
2000-08-28  0:00                     ` Marin D. Condic
2000-08-27  0:00                   ` tmoran
     [not found]                     ` <017801c0105d$06e88ac0$cf18b70a@db2000>
2000-08-27  0:00                       ` tmoran
2000-08-28  0:00                         ` Marin D. Condic
2000-08-28  0:00                       ` Larry Kilgallen
2000-08-28  0:00                     ` Marin D. Condic
2000-08-29  0:00                       ` Gautier
2000-09-06  0:18                   ` John English
2000-08-28  0:00               ` Ray Blaak
2000-08-25  0:00           ` Pat Rogers
2000-08-26  0:00             ` Marin D. Condic
2000-08-26  0:00           ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2000-08-25  0:00     ` Marco van de Voort
2000-08-25  0:00       ` Gautier
2000-08-25  0:00         ` Marco van de Voort
2000-08-25  0:00           ` Charles Hixson
2000-08-26  0:00             ` steve
2000-08-26  0:00               ` Marco van de Voort
2000-08-27  0:00               ` David Botton
2000-08-28  6:41                 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2000-08-28  0:00                   ` David Botton
2000-08-28  0:00             ` Marco van de Voort
2000-08-28  0:00               ` Gautier
2000-08-28  0:00                 ` Marco van de Voort
2000-08-28  0:00                   ` Marin D. Condic
2000-08-28  0:00                     ` Marco van de Voort
2000-08-28  0:00                       ` Gautier
2000-08-28  0:00                         ` Marco van de Voort
2000-08-28  0:00                       ` Larry Elmore
2000-08-28  0:00                   ` Gautier
2000-08-28  0:00                     ` Charles Hixson
2000-08-28  0:00           ` Richard Riehle
2000-08-29  6:53             ` Marco van de Voort
2000-08-26  0:00     ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2000-08-25  0:00   ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2000-08-27  0:00   ` Ronald Cole
2000-08-27  0:00     ` David Starner
2000-08-27  0:00       ` Al Christians
2000-08-28  0:00         ` nabbasi
2000-08-29  0:00           ` David Starner
2000-08-29  0:00             ` Charles Hixson
2000-08-30  0:00               ` Gary Scott
2000-08-30  0:00                 ` Charles Hixson
2000-08-30  0:00                   ` Gary Scott
2000-08-29  0:00           ` Larry Kilgallen
2000-08-29  0:00             ` Marco van de Voort
2000-08-29  0:00               ` Gautier
2000-08-29  0:00                 ` Marco van de Voort
2000-08-29  0:00               ` Jonas Maebe
2000-09-06  0:38               ` John English
2000-09-08 18:41                 ` Stefan Skoglund
2000-09-08 19:24                   ` Marco van de Voort
2000-09-09 17:50                     ` Stefan Skoglund
2000-09-10 16:40                       ` Marco van de Voort
2000-09-11  0:59                         ` Ken Garlington
2000-09-11 13:01                   ` John English
2000-09-11 14:45                     ` Ehud Lamm [this message]
2000-09-11 19:32                       ` Marco van de Voort
2000-09-27 23:03                       ` John English
2000-08-29  0:00           ` Brian Rogoff
2000-08-29  0:00           ` Ehud Lamm
2000-09-06  0:26           ` John English
2000-09-06 16:08             ` Charles Hixson
2000-08-28  0:00         ` Marco van de Voort
2000-08-28  0:00           ` Gautier
2000-08-28  0:00             ` Marco van de Voort
2000-08-28  0:00           ` Al Christians
2000-08-28  0:00             ` Ray Blaak
2000-08-28  0:00       ` Marco van de Voort
2000-08-27  0:00     ` Richard Kenner
2000-08-28  0:00       ` Ronald Cole
     [not found] <01a101c0106f$745c3c70$cf18b70a@db2000>
2000-08-28  0:48 ` tmoran
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