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From: "Ken Garlington" <Ken.Garlington@computer.org>
Subject: Re: Desirability of C++
Date: 2000/05/01
Date: 2000-05-01T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <PSeP4.3482$wb7.311780@news.flash.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 8eclae$afj$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net

"Richard D Riehle" <laoXhai@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:8eclae$afj$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net...
> Here is the U.S. it gets pretty silly sometimes.  Last week, yet
> another senior military officer pronounced in an influential meeting,
> "Ada is dead."  Readers of this forum will undestand that it was a
> stupid thing to say, but those withing listening range will deferentially
> nod in agreement, as if this absurdity actually had any meaning

I can't speak for "senior military officers," but I know that some
Government employees lower in the hierarchy have a preference, at least for
safety-critical systems. On a very recent project, during one of the very
first briefings I gave, one of the questions was (and I believe this is a
nearly-exact phrasing), "You guys are still going to be using Ada, right?"

This has been a real problem for us, in fact, given that some of our
projects want to use DSPs to implement their safety-critical systems (which
certainly seems reasonable), but Ada doesn't have nearly as broad a
representation in that market as C, and it is quite a bit more expensive for
us to use Ada on those systems.

> Why has no one ever written a press release for ComputerWorld, or
published
> an advertisement in ComputerWorld, Government Computer Week, or other
general
> publications in the computer field announcing that their Ada compiler is
used
> for the Boeing 777 or the Channel Tunnel, or the Fokker 100, or brings you
> your nightly newscast via a communications satellite?

Well, the press releases have certainly been written. I posted one recently
on this newsgroup. It's just a question of getting them seen by people that
care.

I'm not sure that it matters anymore what Government program officers think
about software languages. Assume they wanted Ada. What would they do about
it? The acquisition initiatives prevent them from specifying requirements at
this level; even the safety requirements have been watered down
significantly (IMHO). They can indicate _outcomes_ (e.g., error rates of the
delivered software) but not the _means_ by which they're met. Couple that
with the drive to use COTS, etc. and it's tough to get excited about a
language, from their perspective. I suppose they could jawbone the
contractors (as described above), but that's about it.







  parent reply	other threads:[~2000-05-01  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 176+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2000-02-04  0:00 where can we get a job with ada HollymaN
2000-02-03  0:00 ` David Kristola
2000-02-04  0:00   ` EKoerber
2000-02-04  0:00     ` Ted Dennison
2000-02-04  0:00       ` Brian Rogoff
2000-02-05  0:00         ` David Kristola
2000-02-06  0:00           ` Simon Brady
2000-02-07  0:00             ` Gareth
2000-02-07  0:00               ` Ted Dennison
2000-02-07  0:00               ` Kent Paul Dolan
2000-02-07  0:00                 ` Gareth
2000-02-08  0:00                   ` Kent Paul Dolan
2000-02-11  0:00                 ` where can we ... [off topic] Nick Roberts
2000-02-07  0:00               ` where can we get a job with ada Simon Brady
2000-02-12  0:00               ` Jeff Carter
2000-02-07  0:00             ` Ted Dennison
2000-02-28  0:00             ` Florian Weimer
2000-02-29  0:00               ` Ted Dennison
2000-03-01  0:00               ` Wes Groleau
2000-03-04  0:00               ` Robert B. Love 
2000-03-05  0:00                 ` Ted Dennison
2000-03-05  0:00                 ` Ada on International Space Station (Re: where can we get a job with ada) Vladimir Olensky
2000-03-08  0:00                   ` Robert B. Love 
2000-03-08  0:00                     ` Vladimir Olensky
2000-03-08  0:00                     ` Jean St-Pierre
2000-04-03  0:00                   ` Andrew Thomas Wilson
2000-04-12  0:00                     ` David Hoffman
2000-04-13  0:00                       ` Robert B. Love 
2000-04-14  0:00                         ` Desirability of C++ (was Re: Ada on International Space Station (Re: where can we get a job with ada)) David Kristola
2000-04-14  0:00                           ` Wes Groleau
2000-04-14  0:00                             ` Desirability of C++ Stanley R. Allen
2000-04-14  0:00                               ` Marin D. Condic
2000-04-15  0:00                                 ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2000-04-15  0:00                                   ` Marin D. Condic
2000-04-15  0:00                                     ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2000-04-17  0:00                                   ` Alfred Hilscher
2000-04-17  0:00                                     ` Gautier
2000-04-18  0:00                                       ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2000-04-18  0:00                                         ` Gautier
2000-04-28  0:00                                         ` Richard D Riehle
2000-05-02  0:00                                           ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2000-04-18  0:00                                       ` Pascal Obry
2000-04-23  0:00                                       ` David Kristola
2000-04-18  0:00                                     ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2000-04-17  0:00                                 ` Alfred Hilscher
2000-04-17  0:00                                   ` Marin D. Condic
2000-04-17  0:00                                     ` Gary Scott
2000-04-28  0:00                               ` Richard D Riehle
2000-04-30  0:00                                 ` Robert B. Love 
2000-05-01  0:00                                   ` Richard D Riehle
2000-05-01  0:00                                     ` Tarjei Tj�stheim Jensen
2000-05-01  0:00                                     ` E. Robert Tisdale
2000-04-30  0:00                                       ` Keith Thompson
2000-05-01  0:00                                         ` E. Robert Tisdale
2000-05-01  0:00                                           ` Keith Thompson
2000-05-01  0:00                                       ` Tarjei Tj�stheim Jensen
2000-05-01  0:00                                         ` Gautier
2000-05-01  0:00                                         ` Pascal Obry
2000-05-01  0:00                                           ` Gautier
2000-05-01  0:00                                             ` Ted Dennison
2000-05-01  0:00                                           ` Tarjei Tj�stheim Jensen
2000-05-01  0:00                                       ` Gautier
2000-05-01  0:00                                         ` Hyman Rosen
2000-05-01  0:00                                           ` Tarjei Tj�stheim Jensen
2000-05-01  0:00                                             ` tmoran
2000-05-02  0:00                                               ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2000-05-02  0:00                                                 ` Preben Randhol
2000-05-02  0:00                                                   ` Keith Thompson
2000-05-02  0:00                                                   ` Strings TP/Ada (was Desirability of C++) Gautier
2000-05-03  0:00                                                   ` Desirability of C++ Tarjei T. Jensen
2000-05-03  0:00                                                     ` Robert A Duff
2000-05-02  0:00                                               ` Gautier
2000-05-02  0:00                                                 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2000-05-02  0:00                                                   ` Gautier
2000-05-02  0:00                                                     ` Robert A Duff
2000-05-03  0:00                                                       ` Robert I. Eachus
2000-05-03  0:00                                                         ` Robert A Duff
2000-05-04  0:00                                                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2000-05-03  0:00                                                       ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2000-05-03  0:00                                                         ` Robert A Duff
2000-05-03  0:00                                                           ` Delphi Strings (was Re: Desirability of C++) Ray Blaak
2000-05-03  0:00                                                         ` Desirability of C++ Pascal Obry
2000-05-03  0:00                                                           ` Paul Graham
2000-05-03  0:00                                                             ` Pascal Obry
2000-05-03  0:00                                                               ` Paul Graham
2000-05-03  0:00                                                                 ` Robert A Duff
2000-05-04  0:00                                                               ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2000-05-04  0:00                                                                 ` Pascal Obry
2000-05-04  0:00                                                                 ` Preben Randhol
2000-05-04  0:00                                                                   ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2000-05-04  0:00                                                                     ` Preben Randhol
2000-05-05  0:00                                                             ` Gautier
2000-05-04  0:00                                                           ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2000-05-02  0:00                                                     ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2000-05-03  0:00                                                       ` Marin D. Condic
2000-05-03  0:00                                                         ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2000-05-03  0:00                                                           ` Wes Groleau
2000-05-04  0:00                                                         ` Robert I. Eachus
2000-05-05  0:00                                                           ` Marin D. Condic
2000-05-03  0:00                                                       ` Robert A Duff
2000-05-03  0:00                                                         ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2000-05-02  0:00                                               ` Al Christians
2000-05-02  0:00                                             ` Gautier
2000-05-01  0:00                                           ` Gautier
2000-05-01  0:00                                             ` Brian Rogoff
2000-05-02  0:00                                               ` Gautier
2000-05-02  0:00                                             ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2000-05-02  0:00                                           ` Richard D Riehle
2000-05-01  0:00                                         ` Marin D. Condic
2000-05-01  0:00                                         ` E. Robert Tisdale
2000-05-01  0:00                                           ` Pat Rogers
2000-05-01  0:00                                             ` E. Robert Tisdale
2000-05-01  0:00                                               ` Pat Rogers
2000-05-01  0:00                                                 ` Michael P. Walsh
2000-05-01  0:00                                                   ` Pat Rogers
2000-05-01  0:00                                                     ` E. Robert Tisdale
2000-05-02  0:00                                                       ` Bill Greene
2000-05-01  0:00                                             ` David Starner
2000-05-01  0:00                                               ` Pat Rogers
2000-05-01  0:00                                                 ` Ted Dennison
2000-05-01  0:00                                                   ` E. Robert Tisdale
2000-05-01  0:00                                                     ` Pat Rogers
2000-05-01  0:00                                                     ` Gautier
2000-05-01  0:00                                               ` Florian Weimer
2000-05-01  0:00                                                 ` David Starner
2000-05-01  0:00                                                 ` Lionel Draghi
2000-05-02  0:00                                                   ` Florian Weimer
2000-05-01  0:00                                                 ` tmoran
2000-05-01  0:00                                                 ` Ted Dennison
2000-05-01  0:00                                                   ` Tarjei Tj�stheim Jensen
2000-05-01  0:00                                                     ` Ted Dennison
2000-05-02  0:00                                                       ` Preben Randhol
2000-05-02  0:00                                                       ` Florian Weimer
2000-05-02  0:00                                                   ` Application in Ada (was Desirability of C++) Jean-Pierre Rosen
2000-05-02  0:00                                                     ` Ted Dennison
2000-05-02  0:00                                                       ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2000-05-03  0:00                                                       ` Tarjei Tj�stheim Jensen
2000-05-03  0:00                                                         ` Ted Dennison
2000-05-01  0:00                                               ` Desirability of C++ David Starner
2000-05-01  0:00                                       ` Ted Dennison
2000-05-07  0:00                                       ` ANTHONY GAIR
2000-05-07  0:00                                         ` Robert Dewar
2000-05-07  0:00                                         ` Hyman Rosen
2000-05-07  0:00                                           ` ANTHONY GAIR
2000-05-08  0:00                                             ` Hyman Rosen
2000-05-09  0:00                                               ` Pascal Obry
2000-05-11  0:00                                             ` wv12
2000-05-11  0:00                                               ` Warner Bruns
2000-05-18  0:00                                                 ` ANTHONY GAIR
2000-05-18  0:00                                                 ` Warner Bruns
2000-05-19  0:00                                                   ` ANTHONY GAIR
2000-05-24  0:00                                                   ` Richard Kenner
2000-05-11  0:00                                               ` Frank J. Lhota
2000-05-07  0:00                                         ` Richard D Riehle
2000-05-07  0:00                                           ` ANTHONY GAIR
2000-05-08  0:00                                             ` Pascal Obry
2000-05-08  0:00                                               ` Ehud Lamm
2000-05-08  0:00                                                 ` Larry Kilgallen
2000-05-08  0:00                                           ` Mario Klebsch
2000-05-08  0:00                                             ` E. Robert Tisdale
2000-05-08  0:00                                               ` Gautier
2000-05-09  0:00                                               ` Stanley R. Allen
2000-05-10  0:00                                                 ` Mario Klebsch
2000-05-10  0:00                                                 ` Alfred Hilscher
2000-05-08  0:00                                           ` Stanley R. Allen
2000-05-09  0:00                                             ` Richard D Riehle
2000-05-01  0:00                                 ` Ken Garlington [this message]
2000-04-29  0:00                         ` Ada on International Space Station (Re: where can we get a job with ada) Chris Johnston
2000-05-01  0:00                           ` Ted Dennison
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2000-05-01  0:00                         ` Desirability of C++ E. Robert Tisdale
2000-05-01  0:00                       ` Larry Kilgallen
2000-03-22  0:00                 ` where can we get a job with ada Florian Weimer
2000-03-05  0:00               ` David Kristola
2000-02-04  0:00 ` Stanley R. Allen
2000-02-04  0:00   ` Stanley R. Allen
2000-02-06  0:00 ` David Tannen
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