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From: ohk@edeber.tfdt-o.nta.no (Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen FOU.TD/DELAB)
Subject: Re: CRC in Ada?
Date: 1997/03/06
Date: 1997-03-06T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <OHK.97Mar6081946@edeber.tfdt-o.nta.no> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 1997Mar5.083233.1@eisner


In article <E6Lpv3.AoL@world.std.com> bobduff@world.std.com (Robert A Duff) writes:

<stuff deleted>

   I still don't think it's a "mistake" to expect buffering to be done by
   standard packages, rather than by every user's program.  I mean, you
   have to tell the thing that you're planning to read sequentially through
   the file, but beyond that, the application program shouldn't have to
   worry about it.

   (When I programmed on VAX/VMS, I was appalled at the complexity of the
   Record Management Services.  I still don't know why all that complexity
   is necessary, as compared to the Unix notion that a file is a sequence
   of bytes.  But I could be wrong -- I write compilers, mostly, which
   don't need "fancy" I/O facilities.)

Nor do data base management systems. If you use something like the
RMS, your DBMS is probably not going to be very portable, and it is
not very likeley that the RMS idea of what properties and physical
layout a record should have matches the DBMS's ideas. I could make
similar complaints about the crazy idea of building so-called
"reliable" network protocols without regard to the rest of the system
(like TCP/IP), but I'll stop here.

The basic problem is that designers of services like file systems and
network protocols must assume soemthing about their clients. Often
that assumption is wrong, in which case the value of the service is
rather dubious. It is NOT easy to build complex mechanisms which must
be useable in a variety of contexts.

   Note that Ada compilers don't typically use Text_IO to read the source
   code!  ;-)

   - Bob




  parent reply	other threads:[~1997-03-06  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 143+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1997-03-02  0:00 CRC in Ada? Dr. John B. Matthews
1997-03-03  0:00 ` David Brown
1997-03-03  0:00 ` Tom Moran
1997-03-04  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-03-05  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-04  0:00 ` Stephen Garriga
1997-03-04  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-05  0:00     ` Stephen Garriga
1997-03-15  0:00     ` Michael & Amy Hartsough
1997-03-16  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-16  0:00         ` Michael & Amy Hartsough
1997-03-16  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-18  0:00             ` Michael & Amy Hartsough
1997-03-19  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-20  0:00                 ` Michael & Amy Hartsough
1997-03-22  0:00                   ` Mark & Zurima McKinney
1997-03-22  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-22  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-24  0:00                     ` Sequential IO on OpenVMS (was: CRC in Ada?) Ken Garlington
1997-03-24  0:00                       ` Larry Kilgallen
1997-03-21  0:00                 ` CRC in Ada? Tom Moran
1997-03-23  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-23  0:00                     ` Tom Moran
1997-03-24  0:00                       ` Portable Code (was: CRC in Ada?) Larry Kilgallen
1997-03-24  0:00                     ` CRC in Ada? Robert A Duff
1997-03-24  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-24  0:00                       ` Robert A Duff
1997-03-24  0:00                       ` Larry Kilgallen
1997-03-24  0:00                         ` Robert A Duff
1997-03-25  0:00                     ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-04-01  0:00                 ` David Emery
1997-03-04  0:00   ` Tom Moran
1997-03-04  0:00     ` Stephen Garriga
1997-03-04  0:00   ` Matthew Heaney
1997-03-07  0:00   ` John Apa
1997-03-04  0:00 ` David L Brown
1997-03-04  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-05  0:00   ` Stephen Garriga
1997-03-05  0:00     ` Larry Kilgallen
1997-03-05  0:00       ` Robert A Duff
1997-03-05  0:00         ` Larry Kilgallen
1997-03-06  0:00           ` Robert A Duff
1997-03-06  0:00             ` Larry Kilgallen
1997-03-06  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-06  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-06  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-09  0:00               ` Dr. John B. Matthews
1997-03-06  0:00           ` Fergus Henderson
1997-03-06  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-06  0:00             ` Larry Kilgallen
1997-03-06  0:00               ` Robert A Duff
1997-03-07  0:00                 ` Larry Kilgallen
1997-03-07  0:00                   ` Tom Moran
     [not found]                     ` <1997Mar7.202252.1@eisner>
1997-03-08  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-09  0:00                         ` Geert Bosch
1997-03-11  0:00                           ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-12  0:00                             ` Mats Weber
1997-03-12  0:00                               ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-10  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-10  0:00                       ` Tom Moran
1997-03-12  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-10  0:00                     ` Dr. John B. Matthews
1997-03-07  0:00                   ` Robert A Duff
1997-03-10  0:00                   ` Jim Balter
1997-03-07  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-10  0:00               ` Jim Balter
1997-03-10  0:00           ` David Brown
1997-03-12  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-10  0:00           ` Tarjei Jensen
1997-03-10  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-10  0:00               ` Graham Hughes
1997-03-11  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-11  0:00                   ` Graham Hughes
1997-03-12  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-10  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-11  0:00           ` Mark & Zurima McKinney
1997-03-12  0:00           ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-03-12  0:00           ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen FOU.TD/DELAB
1997-03-13  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1997-03-13  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-14  0:00               ` Jim Balter
1997-03-14  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1997-03-15  0:00             ` Dr. John B. Matthews
1997-03-15  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-17  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1997-03-06  0:00       ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen FOU.TD/DELAB [this message]
1997-03-07  0:00       ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen FOU.TD/DELAB
1997-03-07  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-08  0:00           ` Robert A Duff
1997-03-10  0:00           ` Jim Balter
1997-03-11  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-11  0:00               ` Jim Balter
1997-03-11  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-12  0:00                   ` Jim Balter
1997-03-14  0:00                     ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-03-14  0:00                       ` Jim Balter
1997-03-06  0:00   ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen FOU.TD/DELAB
1997-03-06  0:00     ` Graham Hughes
1997-03-06  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-06  0:00     ` Larry Kilgallen
1997-03-09  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-07  0:00   ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen FOU.TD/DELAB
1997-03-07  0:00   ` David Brown
1997-03-07  0:00   ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen FOU.TD/DELAB
1997-03-07  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-08  0:00       ` Fergus Henderson
1997-03-10  0:00       ` Jim Balter
1997-03-11  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-11  0:00           ` Jim Balter
1997-03-11  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-12  0:00               ` Jim Balter
1997-03-11  0:00           ` Jim Balter
1997-03-12  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-12  0:00               ` Jim Balter
1997-03-14  0:00                 ` Samuel Mize
1997-03-10  0:00   ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen FOU.TD/DELAB
1997-03-10  0:00   ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen FOU.TD/DELAB
1997-03-10  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-10  0:00       ` Jim Balter
1997-03-11  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-11  0:00           ` Jim Balter
1997-03-11  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-12  0:00               ` Jim Balter
1997-03-11  0:00       ` Fergus Henderson
1997-03-11  0:00   ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen FOU.TD/DELAB
1997-03-12  0:00   ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen FOU.TD/DELAB
1997-03-12  0:00   ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen FOU.TD/DELAB
1997-03-12  0:00   ` Jim Balter
1997-03-05  0:00 ` David C. Hoos, Sr.
1997-03-05  0:00 ` Laurent Pautet
1997-03-06  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
2013-11-14 17:39 ` david
2013-11-14 18:55   ` Adam Beneschan
2013-11-14 19:35   ` tmoran
2013-11-14 20:09   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-11-14 20:40   ` John B. Matthews
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1997-03-13  0:00 tmoran
1997-03-13  0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-14  0:00   ` Joakim Olsson
1997-03-14  0:00   ` Tom Moran
1997-03-15  0:00   ` Tom Moran
1997-03-14  0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-03-14  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
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