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From: chris <spamoff.danx@ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: Is the Writing on the Wall for Ada?
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 18:34:40 +0200
Date: 2003-09-15T18:34:40+02:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <OGm9b.356$DM5.3149@newsfep4-glfd.server.ntli.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <kPI8b.886$Kt4.447@nwrdny02.gnilink.net>

Stephane Richard wrote:

> If the millitary switches to Java, it will shoot itself in the foot.
> Especially if they expect the same kind of:
> 
> a.  Performances  (Java is slower than Ada, in many places I consider
> essential)

Java is slower only in a JVM.  A native compiler for the language need 
not be.  If Javas portable runtime technology was smarter, it could be 
faster or as fast.  It just isn't.  (See Juice - a once promising 
technology hindered by confinement to the Oberon platform).

> b.  Readability and Udnerstandability of Code

Understandibility of code?  A competent programmer in a language should 
be able to understand code in that language, otherwise there's something 
seriously wrong.

> c.  Any kind of standard.  A datatype is NOT an object and Java thinks it
> is.  What to make of that?  drop in performances automatically.

Java does not think anything.  It *specifies* that a program is composed 
of objects, each containing methods and fields.  It also does not 
specify everything is an object and every data type is an object.  You 
get primitives types in Java.  Those are the only concepts in Java 
(threads are active objects in Java; enumerations and templates haven't 
made it into core yet).  Other languages have records, objects, 
procedures, functions, methods, and lots of other concepts.

I also do not see how objects automatically imply a performance drop. 
Perhaps there is a price to pay now, but I do not see how it 
automatically follows that it must always be so.  (Also you have to 
decide what you're willing to sacrifice for abstraction.  Some would say 
things we take for granted incur performance penalties, like range 
checks or records, but we don't get rid of them).




  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-09-15 16:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 492+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-09-06 21:47 Is the Writing on the Wall for Ada? Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-07  4:05 ` Wes Groleau
2003-09-07  4:59 ` Russ
2003-09-07  6:02   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-07  8:12     ` David Marceau
2003-09-07 10:17       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-07 14:31         ` Jerry van Dijk
2003-09-14 11:39           ` Alex Gibson
2003-09-08  7:49         ` olehjalmar kristensen - Sun Microsystems - Trondheim Norway
2003-09-08 18:37       ` svaa
2003-09-07 11:24     ` Russ
2003-09-07 19:01       ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-07 19:41         ` Jerry van Dijk
2003-09-07 20:17         ` David C. Hoos
2003-09-07 21:45         ` Russ
2003-09-08  4:10           ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-08 18:35           ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-09  0:19             ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-09  7:41               ` Russ
2003-09-11  2:59                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-08  5:09         ` Robert C. Leif
2003-09-08  9:54           ` Rod Chapman
2003-09-09  0:25           ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-09  6:51             ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-09  7:33             ` Russ
2003-09-09  9:24               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-11  3:10               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-09  7:34             ` olehjalmar kristensen - Sun Microsystems - Trondheim Norway
2003-09-09 13:13               ` Ed Falis
2003-09-10  6:09                 ` Robert C. Leif
     [not found]                 ` <20030910060915.VSBE25714.mta015.verizon.net@smtp.covadmail.net>
2003-09-10 12:49                   ` Ed Falis
2003-09-09 23:48               ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-10  7:13                 ` olehjalmar kristensen - Sun Microsystems - Trondheim Norway
2003-09-11  1:39                   ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-10  7:48                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-14 21:44               ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-15  9:19                 ` olehjalmar kristensen - Sun Microsystems - Trondheim Norway
2003-09-15 23:31                   ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-16  0:26                     ` Ed Falis
2003-09-16  7:05                       ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2003-09-16  1:46                     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-16  2:52                       ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-16 17:29                         ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-17  0:50                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-17  1:25                             ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-22 14:33                               ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-22 15:26                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-23  8:04                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-23 12:24                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-23 13:29                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-23 13:38                                         ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-23 14:07                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-23 14:36                                             ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-23 14:47                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-23 15:09                                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-24  2:13                                     ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-24  8:17                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-24 11:43                                         ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-24 12:55                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-23  8:19                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-23 12:29                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-23 13:38                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-24  1:55                                       ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-24  2:38                                         ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-24  3:52                                           ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-24  8:28                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-17 16:56                         ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-10 19:47             ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-11  3:21               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-11 13:33                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-11 14:04                   ` Stephen Leake
2003-09-11 21:05                     ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-11 22:01                       ` Stephen Leake
2003-09-11 23:04                         ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-12  4:36                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-15  8:20                       ` olehjalmar kristensen - Sun Microsystems - Trondheim Norway
2003-09-15 16:47                         ` Dmytry Lavrov
2003-09-16  7:48                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-16 15:24                           ` Mark A. Biggar
2003-09-18  5:24                         ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2003-09-18  8:28                           ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2003-09-22 15:34                             ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-22 16:26                               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-23  8:34                                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-23 10:49                             ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2003-09-23 13:57                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-24  1:47                               ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-24  2:03                                 ` Stephane Richard
2003-09-24  2:26                                   ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-24 10:49                                     ` Stephane Richard
2003-09-24  3:03                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-11 17:25                   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-11 20:56                     ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-09-11 23:10                       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-11 23:33                         ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-09-12  4:03                         ` tmoran
2003-09-12  5:02                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-12 20:11                             ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-13 17:05                               ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-13 17:31                                 ` Stephane Richard
2003-09-13 19:07                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-14  1:38                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-14 19:53                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-15  8:33                                     ` olehjalmar kristensen - Sun Microsystems - Trondheim Norway
2003-09-14 20:14                                   ` Robert C. Leif
2003-09-15 15:09                               ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-16  4:32                                 ` Amir Yantimirov
2003-09-12 16:02                           ` Stephen Leake
2003-09-12 18:17                             ` Ed Falis
2003-09-14  1:41                             ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-15 17:00                               ` Stephen Leake
2003-09-11 21:38                     ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-11 23:19                       ` Hyman Rosen
     [not found]                     ` <u9v2mvgt0ih71a8i780bmos6nrik4v23l9@4ax.com>
2003-09-15  9:33                       ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-16  7:56                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-17  1:00                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-17 15:42                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-12  4:00                   ` Amir Yantimirov
2003-09-12  8:30                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-11  8:53               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-12 17:28                 ` Can MI be supported? (Was: Is the Writing on the Wall for Ada?) Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-13 18:31                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-14  1:50                     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-14 23:33                     ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-15  1:24                       ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-15 14:08                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-16 20:33                         ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-08 14:36         ` Is the Writing on the Wall for Ada? Ed Falis
2003-09-08 14:55           ` olehjalmar kristensen - Sun Microsystems - Trondheim Norway
2003-09-08 16:35             ` Ed Falis
2003-09-08 17:35             ` Robert Spooner
2003-09-09  7:17               ` olehjalmar kristensen - Sun Microsystems - Trondheim Norway
2003-09-09  1:47       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-09  6:46         ` Russ
2003-09-09  8:19           ` Dr. Michael Paus
2003-09-11  3:03             ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-09 20:35           ` Wes Groleau
2003-09-14  6:24   ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-14 10:51     ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-09-14 12:49       ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-14 19:59         ` Russ
2003-09-15  0:46           ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-15  7:11             ` Russ
2003-09-15 17:48               ` Wes Groleau
2003-09-17  0:29                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-17  4:56                   ` Wes Groleau
2003-09-17 19:10                     ` Russ
2003-09-17 20:13                       ` Martin Dowie
2003-09-18  6:48                         ` Mark A. Biggar
2003-09-18 16:06                           ` Martin Dowie
2003-09-18 21:00                             ` Wes Groleau
2003-09-18 22:37                           ` Russ
2003-09-19 20:14                           ` Robert A Duff
2003-09-23 10:48                       ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2003-09-23 18:59                         ` Russ
2003-09-24 14:17                           ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2003-09-25  0:42                             ` Russ
2003-09-25  8:22                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-09-25  9:11                               ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2003-09-25 11:29                                 ` Is the Writing on the Wall for Ada? [although this thread changed to something else a long time ago] Jeff C,
2003-09-25 11:34                                   ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2003-09-25 11:36                                   ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2003-09-25 11:39                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-09-25 19:11                                   ` Russ
2003-09-25 19:40                                     ` Preben Randhol
2003-09-25 19:56                                     ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2003-09-26  7:55                                       ` Russ
2003-09-26  9:58                                         ` Ludovic Brenta
2003-09-26 13:05                                         ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2003-09-26 18:41                                     ` Pascal Obry
2003-09-26 19:59                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2003-09-27 19:09                                         ` Russ
2003-09-27 22:43                                           ` Randy Brukardt
2003-09-28  3:12                                             ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-09-28 10:56                                             ` Preben Randhol
2003-09-29 19:37                                               ` Randy Brukardt
2003-09-28  8:36                                           ` Pascal Obry
2003-09-28  1:29                                         ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-09-25 15:55                                 ` Is the Writing on the Wall for Ada? Wes Groleau
2003-09-25 16:11                                   ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2003-09-25 16:36                                   ` Stephen Leake
2003-09-25 23:41                                     ` Russ
2003-09-26 19:45                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2003-09-28  8:48                                         ` Russ
2003-09-28 14:32                                           ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-28 23:38                                             ` Russ
2003-09-29 20:07                                           ` Randy Brukardt
2003-09-22 13:15                     ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-23  7:05                       ` Russ
2003-09-23  8:10                         ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-18  5:05               ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2003-09-14 22:45     ` Wes Groleau
2003-09-07  6:19 ` Mike Silva
2003-09-07  6:58 ` David Marceau
2003-09-07 21:55   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-08 12:57   ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-07 13:23 ` chris
2003-09-11  7:19   ` David Marceau
2003-09-14  6:41     ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-14  6:34   ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-07 14:20 ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-09 14:39   ` Dmytry Lavrov
2003-09-07 15:41 ` Ludovic Brenta
2003-09-07 19:06   ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-10  4:43   ` John R. Strohm
2003-09-10 16:35     ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-14  6:55       ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-07 16:13 ` Robert C. Leif
2003-09-07 22:21   ` chris
2003-09-07 23:31     ` Christopher Browne
2003-09-07 23:10       ` chris
2003-09-08  2:11         ` Christopher Browne
2003-09-08 15:01     ` Robert C. Leif
2003-09-08 15:51       ` chris
2003-09-10  6:09         ` Robert C. Leif
2003-09-13 11:57       ` Michael Erdmann
2003-09-10  4:44   ` John R. Strohm
2003-09-10 14:15     ` Ludovic Brenta
2003-09-10 16:40       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-11  0:01         ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-12 12:39           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-08  0:34 ` Jeffrey Creem
2003-09-08  1:36 ` David Emery
2003-09-08 20:07   ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-08  3:40 ` William J. Thomas
2003-09-08 19:36   ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-08 21:14     ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-09  8:28       ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-10 19:09         ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-11 17:07           ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-11 21:36             ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-13  2:23               ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-15  6:58                 ` Dmytry Lavrov
2003-09-15  9:17                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-08  8:56 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-08 19:50   ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-09  8:36     ` Peter Amey
2003-09-09  8:43     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-10  0:53       ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-10  8:22         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-10 12:36           ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-10 13:48             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-10 16:56             ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-10 20:08             ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-11 12:35               ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-11 13:51                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-12  5:45                   ` Management, was:Is " Anders Wirzenius
2003-09-12  9:00                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-12 12:39                   ` Is " Marin David Condic
2003-09-12 16:50                     ` tmoran
2003-09-12 16:50                     ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-13 12:25                       ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-13 19:16                         ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-13  3:48                     ` Russ
2003-09-13 12:27                       ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-14 22:30                         ` Robert C. Leif
2003-09-15 16:38                           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
     [not found]                   ` <wvbrisnulbiy.fsf@sun.com>
2003-09-16 15:20                     ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-16 16:38                       ` Stephane Richard
2003-09-17 12:26                         ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-17 12:56                           ` Stephane Richard
2003-09-10 16:45           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-12 18:55           ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-15 12:38             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-16  1:36               ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-16 13:12                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-17  3:15                   ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-17 16:08                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-17 22:16                       ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-18  7:56                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-18 18:46                           ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-19  8:17                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-20  1:44                               ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-22 11:48                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-22 13:38                                   ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-09-22 14:22                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-22 16:45                                       ` Steffen Huber
2003-09-23  8:15                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-23 16:00                                           ` Steffen Huber
2003-09-24  8:42                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-24 14:15                                               ` Steffen Huber
2003-09-22 18:24                                       ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-09-23  4:05                                         ` Amir Yantimirov
2003-09-25 17:13                                           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-23  8:32                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-23  7:17                                       ` Russ
2003-09-24  2:17                                         ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-23 16:06                                       ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-09-23 16:57                                         ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-25 17:16                                           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-23  2:05                                   ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-23  9:14                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-24  2:52                                       ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-24  9:45                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-25  2:51                                           ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-25  9:07                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-25 21:12                                               ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-26  8:48                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-26 17:22                                                   ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-29  8:43                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-08 12:43 ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-08 19:15 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2003-09-09 16:48   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-09 21:16     ` Ed Falis
2003-09-10 16:58       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-10 12:46     ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-08 19:58 ` Gautier Write-only
2003-09-13 17:52 ` Stephane Richard
2003-09-15 16:31   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-16  0:22     ` Ed Falis
2003-09-16  0:38     ` Stephane Richard
2003-09-15 16:34   ` chris [this message]
2003-09-14 17:03 ` JM
2003-09-14 21:05   ` Russ
2003-09-14 21:37   ` Wes Groleau
2003-09-15 16:34   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-15 18:07     ` Dmytry Lavrov
2003-09-16  0:29 ` Inheritance was " chris
2003-09-16 21:41   ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-25 18:04 ` Jan Kroken
2003-09-25 21:50   ` Stephen Leake
2003-09-25 22:06     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-26  1:53       ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-26  2:31         ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-26  5:40           ` Pascal Obry
2003-09-26  8:51           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-26 10:47             ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-26 10:56               ` Stephane Richard
2003-09-26 13:00                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-26 17:43                   ` Stephen Leake
2003-09-26 19:07                     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-09-26 22:27                     ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-26 22:59                       ` tmoran
2003-09-26 23:16                       ` Wes Groleau
2003-09-26 17:41           ` Stephen Leake
2003-09-26 19:32             ` Randy Brukardt
2003-09-29  2:46           ` Craig Carey
2003-09-30  2:20             ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-30  3:24               ` tmoran
2003-09-30 12:33                 ` (see below)
2003-09-30 20:50                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-30 22:13                   ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-09-30  7:01               ` Preben Randhol
2003-09-30 12:30                 ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-30 12:35                   ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-09-30 13:02                     ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-30 14:28                   ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2003-09-30 21:01                     ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-30 22:01                       ` Preben Randhol
2003-10-01 12:47                         ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-10-01 17:36                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-01 20:15                             ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-10-02  7:29                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-02 14:18                               ` Counter-proposal for variable arrays Wes Groleau
2003-10-03 20:29                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-03 21:06                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-10-04  8:31                                     ` Pascal Obry
2003-10-04 12:10                                       ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-05  6:03                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-10-06 16:05                                         ` Pascal Obry
2003-10-07  9:23                                           ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2003-10-08  8:57                                             ` Pascal Obry
2003-10-10  3:12                                               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-10-08  7:01                                           ` Hyman Rosen
2003-10-04  8:33                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-05  5:52                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-10-06 13:12                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-08  6:56                                           ` Hyman Rosen
2003-10-08  7:36                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-08 17:54                                               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-10-09  8:19                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-09 14:33                                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-10-09 16:27                                                     ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-10-16  0:52                                                     ` Randy Brukardt
2003-10-16  7:38                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-17 21:20                                                         ` Randy Brukardt
2003-10-18 10:05                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-02 19:48                               ` Is the Writing on the Wall for Ada? Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-03 20:30                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-03 21:42                                   ` Wes Groleau
2003-10-04  8:33                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-05  0:49                                       ` Wes Groleau
2003-10-06 12:25                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-06 22:57                                           ` Wes Groleau
2003-10-07  8:21                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-16  0:59                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2003-10-16  7:27                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-04  1:43                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-04  8:33                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-04 11:28                                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-10-06 12:07                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-08 18:05                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-10-04 13:48                                       ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-06 12:14                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-08 14:16                                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-08 14:58                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-08 23:37                                               ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-09  7:52                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-10 17:21                                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-30 23:46                       ` Wes Groleau
2003-10-01 12:28                       ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-01 17:51                         ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-01 12:17                     ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-01 13:50                       ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2003-10-02  0:38                         ` Marin David Condic
     [not found]                           ` <NhMeb.477065$Oz4.311358@rwcrnsc54>
2003-10-02 12:31                             ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-20  7:43                           ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2003-10-20 12:20                             ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-02  4:17                         ` Wes Groleau
2003-10-01 21:54                       ` tmoran
2003-10-02  0:50                         ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-02 20:03                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-03 12:22                             ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-03 12:26                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-10-03 12:36                                 ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-03 14:24                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-10-03 18:13                                     ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-04  1:49                               ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-04 12:31                                 ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-04 13:54                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-04 21:10                                     ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-06 17:09                                       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-10-06 23:26                                         ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-06 16:47                                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-10-08 17:57                                     ` A nongeneric bounded string array type (was Re: Is the Writing on the Wall for Ada?) Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-09 16:47                                       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-10-10 17:40                                         ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-15 16:11                                           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-10-16 14:47                                             ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-16 16:39                                               ` A nongeneric bounded string array type (in database code) Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-10-16 23:45                                                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-17 13:15                                                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-10-17 15:05                                                     ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-17 19:38                                                       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-10-17 22:52                                                         ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-02  9:19                       ` Is the Writing on the Wall for Ada? Preben Randhol
2003-10-02 12:37                         ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-02 13:07                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-10-02 16:39                             ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-02 16:44                               ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-20  7:42                       ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2003-09-30 14:58                   ` Mark A. Biggar
2003-10-01 11:59                     ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-01 17:33                       ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-02  1:29                         ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-10-02 12:24                           ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-02 20:50                             ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-10-02 19:15                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-03  1:55                             ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-10-02  4:14                       ` Wes Groleau
2003-09-30 17:43                   ` tmoran
2003-10-02 19:30                   ` Simon Wright
2003-10-20  7:39                   ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2003-09-30 12:21               ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-30 13:56                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-01 12:34                   ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-02  7:41                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-10-02 12:42                       ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-02 14:15                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-30 20:42               ` Jeffrey Carter
2003-09-26  3:21       ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-26  0:05   ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-26 12:52   ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-26 13:09     ` chris
2003-09-26 17:46       ` Stephen Leake
2003-09-26 17:57         ` chris
2003-09-29 14:58           ` Stephen Leake
2003-09-26 21:46         ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-27  0:53     ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-27 14:34       ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-27 19:24         ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-28  2:38         ` Wes Groleau
2003-09-28 14:46           ` Marin David Condic
2003-09-28 19:58             ` Wes Groleau
2003-09-29  3:17             ` Hyman Rosen
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-09-16  8:56 Lionel.DRAGHI
2003-09-16 10:56 ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-16 12:06 Lionel.DRAGHI
2003-10-03 21:51 chris
2003-10-03 23:10 ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-03 23:37   ` tmoran
2003-10-04 12:55     ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-04 10:55   ` chris
2003-10-04 13:18     ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-04 14:18       ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-10-04 21:44         ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-04 14:28       ` chris
2003-10-04 22:01         ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-04 22:50           ` chris
2003-10-05 14:41             ` Marin David Condic
2003-10-04  0:42 ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-10-04  4:23 ` Chad R. Meiners
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