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From: jsa@alexandria.organon.com (Jon S Anthony)
Subject: Re: maintenance of overriding subprograms
Date: 1997/09/09
Date: 1997-09-09T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <JSA.97Sep9132250@alexandria.organon.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: EG8tAB.Et5@world.std.com



In article <EG8tAB.Et5@world.std.com> bobduff@world.std.com (Robert A Duff) writes:

> In article <34145A2F.3659@pseserv3.fw.hac.com>,
> W. Wesley Groleau x4923 <wwgrol@pseserv3.fw.hac.com> wrote:
> >If your names are well-chosen, and your hierarchy well-designed, 
> >wouldn't it be unnecessary (except for the occasional extreme case)
> >to hunt down a lot of other stuff to understand the item at hand?
> 
> I don't think so.  If I see:
> 
>     package P is
>         type T is new Some_Parent with ...;
>         procedure Foo(X: T);
>     private
>         ...
>     end P;
> 
> How on Earth am I supposed to know about the 17 primitive operations of
> type T?

Right.  You can't without looking them all up.  And it gets a _lot_
worse with MI.  This is just the old problem of OO (typically swept
under the rug by OO fanatics) that it can cause all sorts of
maintenance problems.

> >Conversely, if one has to study all the ancestors in great detail
> >to do anything with a particular descendant, haven't we lost much of
> >the reduced work alleged to be acheived by inheritance?

IMO, reducing work is not and never really has been a benefit of OO.
That's not what its good for.


> Well, not really.  For example, think of all those clients of the
> *parent* type that happily use the derived type without even *knowing*
> about it.

And possibly shooting themselves in the foot and generating all sorts
of maintenance nightmares to where the whole thing collapses under its
own bloated opaque weight.


> It depends who's doing the "alleging", I guess.  It ranges from "OOP
> is a useful tool" to "OOP will cure all the world's ills".  ;-)

To "OOP is outright dangerous" if not handled very carefully.

/Jon
-- 
Jon Anthony
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"Nightmares - Ha!  The way my life's been going lately,
 Who'd notice?"  -- Londo Mollari




  reply	other threads:[~1997-09-09  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1997-09-02  0:00 maintenance of overriding subprograms Stephen Leake
1997-09-05  0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-05  0:00   ` Stephen Leake
1997-09-05  0:00     ` Matthew Heaney
1997-09-07  0:00     ` Robert A Duff
1997-09-08  0:00       ` Tom Moran
1997-09-08  0:00         ` Stephen Leake
1997-09-08  0:00       ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-09  0:00         ` Robert A Duff
1997-09-09  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony [this message]
     [not found] ` <340DCE1D.6C5F@bix.com>
1997-09-04  0:00   ` John G. Volan
1997-09-07  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-08  0:00     ` Robert A Duff
1997-09-09  0:00     ` Dan Johnston D.B.
1997-09-09  0:00       ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-09  0:00       ` Tom Moran
1997-09-10  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-11  0:00         ` Dan Johnston D.B.
1997-09-12  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-12  0:00           ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-09-12  0:00             ` Samuel Mize
1997-09-18  0:00             ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-09-24  0:00               ` John G. Volan
1997-09-25  0:00                 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-09-26  0:00                   ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-09-10  0:00 ` Anonymous
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1997-09-10  0:00 Marc Wachowitz
1997-09-29  0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-96
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